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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8388734" data-attributes="member: 7032025">You know what, I completely agree with you here, the main problem for me is that this area of the rules is probably one of the most complex one in terms of interplay of various rules.I'm a huge supporter of playing the game without having read all the rules, and let the DM's rulings explain what happens, so this is my standard way of playing.But when a player asks the kind of question here, it immediately becomes a really technical question which, for once, happens to have an answer directly in the rules. So if you want to play by ear, go ahead with my blessing. But if you really want to be technical about the answer, then you need to read all the technical rules.And, for once, although the trend of 5e is (thankfully, in my opinion) not a technical one, any small amount of work would provide you rapidly with an unambiguous answer, that's all I'm saying.My apologies, it's just that this question is usually asked along the lines of "my DM said that I could not" or "my player insisted that". The only thing that I'm saying is that the rules are not needless confusing on that topic. They are just, because there are a few of them applying to that case, not exactly next to each other, which is normal. But if you think that this is needlessly confusing, what should we then say about 3e, which was 10 times as complex, and even more spread around in terms of organisation.The one thing that I agree with is that this is a rare case in the rules (there are a few like that, but not that many compared to previous editions) where it's fairly technical and you need to bring together information from various sections to get the answer, so it's indeed more technical than most of 5e.</blockquote>

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