Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7039594" data-attributes="member: 12731">and And to both these quotes I'm saying that... all of is is irrelevant, since if we treat this character as an alternative martial character, we still get better damage output than any other weapon <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />There is no "price" (or rather, there is, in less sturdiness, but that's something completely different).You don't have "better things to do". Not unless you consider every Fighter 20 to have "better things to do" because they could always have been a Wizard 20 instead, casting Fireball or Meteor Swarm or, indeed, Wish. Now I hope I'm getting thru to you. Your objections aren't true costs, since we aren't trying to create a spellcaster here - we're designing the one character that can outperform Fighters at their own game, and the reason we can do that is because cantrip + cantrip isn't like two attacks, but more like two attack actions. Or, more specifically, "just as if there were a way for martials to use Extra Attack as a bonus action" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But by that logic, any Fighter 20 is a bad deal, since that's not as good as a full caster either. See? You keep comparing apples to oranges. I, however, am comparing the round to round output of a martial with a special kind of build that outperforms that martial on his own home turf, that is, in the area of "doing stuff that isn't casting levelled spells". No, it does not involve whacking things with sticks. It involves blasting things with eldritch force damage. But what does it matter, when the latter does MORE attacks and MORE damage?It still shows us that cantrip + cantrip is equivalent to "just as if there were a way for martials to use Extra Attack as a bonus action". Whether you feel getting to do Extra Attack as a bonus action is a tad powerful, is a completely different question <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

Verification