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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 380309" data-attributes="member: 4937">"However, there might be something to the idea that good cannot exist without evil. Good needs evil to stand above, to fight, whether through self-improvement or through slaying evildoers. (I think evil is more stand-alone in that regard, because they can kill anyone, not just evildoersor gooddoers.) It might be an idea to have some evils on hand to supply the target for an 'exalted deed'; after all, that's the point of this thread,right?"I don't really want to get into an extended argument over the rightness of that position (I happen to disagree but thats unimportant), but I do want to suggest that the subject you raise of good and evil being dependent on each other is a better topic for a 'Book of Golden Balance' (for Nuetrals) than a 'Book of Exalted Deeds'.And to suggest that evil is an idea independent of good, and that good is dependent on evil is to suggest the primacy of evil as a philosophy - which is very much the position of Neutral Evil.I've got no problem with the various philosophical positions being covered, but I do think that they should be presented clearly and separately.</blockquote>