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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ltheb Silverfrond" data-source="post: 3550020" data-attributes="member: 39867">I'd say since half elves count as elves for effects, and since they are pretty cruddy race, I'd let them take this class.On a similar note: (Warning: This is going to sound stupid, but it might be a relevant observation given that 'feats' and 'classes' are effects)Iron Heart Surge says it can end, among other things, any effect affecting you with a duration other than Instantaneous. (Says specifically one or more rounds, but Ask Wizards clarified it to mean any non-instant duration) Now, if feats and classes are 'effects', how could this strangely interact with Iron Heart Surge? Can I 'end' being a specific class? What about a race? If I have toughness, and 'end' it, I lose 3 hp, right? It can end conditions too. Being dead is a condition. Also the definition of 'affecting you' could be relevant.</blockquote>