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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Xyvs" data-source="post: 3044208" data-attributes="member: 20222">In practical terms, though, the Warblade won't be fighting infinite encounters per day. And in general he can only use each maneuver once per encounter. So really, if we take the general rule that there will be 4 encounters per session and that the day ends when the session ends (since the casters and such will have to rest), then the Warblade will use the +100 dmg martial strike about 4 times per day. Practically, that's what happens. But yes, theoretically, the Warblade can do this an infinite number of times per day whereas the Wizard can only cast his maximized chain lightning (9th level slot) +quickened empowered scorching ray (8th level slot) 4 times per day for an avg damage of 153 (no non-Core uber cheese spells used in my hurried example or I bet I could get some more ridiculous caster dmg output for a 20th level caster).EDIT: Oops. Forgot about the Warblade's being able to refresh a spent maneuver every round with the swift thing+attack. Meaning he could do the +100 dmg move every other round. Bit egregious perhaps, but then, I still am not convinced this is out of line with how much power an optimized wizard could wield in a single encounter and over the course of a typical session.It's already been generally agreed upon by many that casters are ridiculously powerful at level 15+. Why is it considered overpowered if a melee character starts approaching that power at those levels? Is it that this seems to infringe too much on the burst dmg of high level casters? Or does the overpowered argument stem from comparisons to straight melee classes like the Fighter or Barbarian?  I'm genuinely curious. I can certainly see the case there, as the book makes the traditional melee classes feel very tame in comparison. But then again, hasn't that always been a major complaint by many about melee classes? That they are so outshined by casters at the high levels? I think Tome of Battle is a good attempt by WotC to rectify that.Now the player that likes melee combat but feels underpowered when he sees the Wizard cast a Power Word Kill or Meteor Swarm has an option that makes him feel just as strong, but yet still retains the melee flavor. I see nothing wrong with that.I feel that way, even despite some gross overpowering in the warblade and other aspects of the Tome of Battle book. Those are easily rectified though and don't taint the overall enjoyment I have with the book.Also, this is just straight damage comparisons, and it has been pointed out here at Enworld and elsewhere that the real power of spells lies in flexibilty, utility, buffs, and save or die effects. Overall, Tome of Battle and the Martial Adept classes infringe on none of that. So again, my guess is that the overpowering comparison is against the poor, maligned fighter (and to a lesser extent the other ftr BAB classes). In that respect, I can agree there. I hate that the fighter got slightly buffed by PHB II and then Tome of Battle all of a sudden outshines him. Poor fighter...My issues are really with the Warblade. I'd lower his hit die to d10 and not allow them to recover all readied maneuvers with a swift action. I would allow them to do so, but not make it so easy.</blockquote>

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