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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 3044508" data-attributes="member: 2804">I think the term unbalanced can swing both ways. I see the Barbarian class as the unbalanced class. Unbalanced because it is so clearly underpowered. Nobody ever plays Barbarians in my game. They take a level of Barbarian occasionally to get +10 ft of movement. Thats about it.I see a Half-Orc Fighter 5 using some of the assumptions you have above with the following feats:Heavy Armor Optimization (Races of Stone)Greater Heavy Armor Optimization (Races of Stone)Monkey Grip (Complete Warrior)Weapon Focus (Great Sword) (PHB)Weapon Specialization (Great Sword) (PHB)AC = 23 w/o magic (Full Plate Armor +10, Heavy Shield +2, Dex +1)Attack +11 (Str +5, BAB +5, Weapon Focus +1)Damage 2d6 + 7 (Great sword)You are also including a vague stance bonus despite saying above that you aren't using any stances in your build. I'm not familiar with any stance that gives +2 to attack and +4 to damage. Your halfing's attack bonus should be +6 and damage would be +4 (+7 by adding Wisdom only when performing a strike maneuver) and you would be using a SMALL weapon that does reduced damage.If I decided to skip the shield and drop Monkey Grip in favor of Power Attack, My AC drops to 21 (still good and the same as your sword sage build) and if I reduce my attack bonus to +6 (the same as the Sword Sage) I can do an amazing 2d6 + 19 points of damage!! (+10 from Power Attack with two-handed weapon, +7 from Strength with two-handed weapon, +2 from Weapon Specialization)The half-orc Fighter build is clearly more powerful.But ultimately this argument is pointless. For some of you, comparing a Fighter build to a Sword Sage build and showing the Sword Sage as more powerful is proof that those classes are overpowered. For me it is proof that the existing warrior classes are underpowered.</blockquote>

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