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<blockquote data-quote="Dragonblade" data-source="post: 3044565" data-attributes="member: 2804"><p>As an addendum to my previous post, lets examine this myth that a warrior being able to do +100 points of damage is broken.</p><p></p><p>Lets take a half-orc fighter at 20th level. No magic, since a Warblade could have magic too. And since this is a demo, we'll go for something powergamerish like the Great Falchion.</p><p></p><p>Strength 20 + 5 more over 20 levels for a total of 25. We'll also take the following feats:</p><p>Weapon Focus (Great Falchion)</p><p>Weapon Specialization (Great Falchion)</p><p>Greater Weapon Focus (Great Falchion)</p><p>Greater Weapon Specialization (Great Falchion)</p><p>Melee Weapon Mastery (Slashing)</p><p>Weapon Supremacy</p><p>Power Attack</p><p>Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Great Falchion)</p><p>Heavy Armor Optimization</p><p>Greater Heavy Armor Optimization</p><p>Improved Critical</p><p></p><p>That is 11 feats, basically what a fighter gets over the course of 20 levels not counting character feats. Assuming we use Power Attack to its fullest (-5 to hit +10 damage) we get the following:</p><p></p><p>Attacks +26/+21/+16/+11 (Weapon Supremacy gives an additional +5 to any one of those, and I can take 10 on one attack roll as well)</p><p></p><p>Damage 2d6 + 26 (critical 15 to 20/x2)</p><p></p><p>I get 4 chances to hit a creature with a 25% chance of a critical. Statistically speaking, that is 1 critical per round. I'm doing a minimum of 28 damage per hit without factoring in the additional damage due to a critical. Even without Power Attack, I'm still doing a minimum of 18 damage per hit and the chance of more attacks hitting goes up significantly.</p><p></p><p>Even if I switch out the Great Falchion for a more common weapon such as a Great Sword, it just reduces the crit chance a little.</p><p></p><p>My AC is not too shabby either. Assuming Full plate and Dex 12, it would be a respectable AC 23. Not bad with absolutely no magic factored in at all. If you throw in magic, your AC improves right along with your attack bonus making those power attacks much more likely to land.</p><p></p><p>So if you consider a 100 damage every other round is on par with a Fighter being able to dish out 50 points of damage per round, I think we are not too far out of alignment and I didn't even touch the additional feats a Fighter would get from their character levels. Is the Warblade a good class? Yes. Is it broken, not at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dragonblade, post: 3044565, member: 2804"] As an addendum to my previous post, lets examine this myth that a warrior being able to do +100 points of damage is broken. Lets take a half-orc fighter at 20th level. No magic, since a Warblade could have magic too. And since this is a demo, we'll go for something powergamerish like the Great Falchion. Strength 20 + 5 more over 20 levels for a total of 25. We'll also take the following feats: Weapon Focus (Great Falchion) Weapon Specialization (Great Falchion) Greater Weapon Focus (Great Falchion) Greater Weapon Specialization (Great Falchion) Melee Weapon Mastery (Slashing) Weapon Supremacy Power Attack Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Great Falchion) Heavy Armor Optimization Greater Heavy Armor Optimization Improved Critical That is 11 feats, basically what a fighter gets over the course of 20 levels not counting character feats. Assuming we use Power Attack to its fullest (-5 to hit +10 damage) we get the following: Attacks +26/+21/+16/+11 (Weapon Supremacy gives an additional +5 to any one of those, and I can take 10 on one attack roll as well) Damage 2d6 + 26 (critical 15 to 20/x2) I get 4 chances to hit a creature with a 25% chance of a critical. Statistically speaking, that is 1 critical per round. I'm doing a minimum of 28 damage per hit without factoring in the additional damage due to a critical. Even without Power Attack, I'm still doing a minimum of 18 damage per hit and the chance of more attacks hitting goes up significantly. Even if I switch out the Great Falchion for a more common weapon such as a Great Sword, it just reduces the crit chance a little. My AC is not too shabby either. Assuming Full plate and Dex 12, it would be a respectable AC 23. Not bad with absolutely no magic factored in at all. If you throw in magic, your AC improves right along with your attack bonus making those power attacks much more likely to land. So if you consider a 100 damage every other round is on par with a Fighter being able to dish out 50 points of damage per round, I think we are not too far out of alignment and I didn't even touch the additional feats a Fighter would get from their character levels. Is the Warblade a good class? Yes. Is it broken, not at all. [/QUOTE]
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