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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brehobit" data-source="post: 3044628" data-attributes="member: 12032">Great!At first level a bard can give +1 to attack and damage 1/day as a standard action.  At first level a crusader will always be in this stance (if he has it).  So he is handing out 2 hitpoint cures AS PART OF HIS NORMAL ATTACK.  He isn't burning an action or anything.Sure, but I didn't even worry about his maneuvers.  And they are just bonus anyways.  Worst case is he doesn't have a useful one.  He's still hugely powerful.(One quick point, look at "death mark" (I think I have that right) not burning flurish (which is much weaker))A 5th level wizard, doing nothing other than casting a spell, can do 5d6 damage in a 20' radius (at a huge range on the occasions that should matter)  Perhaps up to 3/day.  The swordsage can do 6d6 damage in a 10' radius AS PART OF HIS NORMAL ATTACK.  We can debate if range is better than casting in the space next to you (and you being immune to it) but they are compatable (a wizard gets in HtH he has a heck of a time using fireball).  And the swordsage can do it EVERY encountere.  And the swordsage has more hit points, AC, BAB, saves and skills.   I really don't see how the wizard can win this (at this level).At this level the rogue is either two-weapon wielding or getting only one attack.  +3d6 is nice.  Doing it every round is nice.  But IME rogues get sneak attack on no more than 1/2 of their attacks.  No flanking, undead, etc. really limit them.  6d6 1/combat in a 10' radius as part of an attack (just like the rogue) is really nice.  +3 to attack, +5 damage is really nice for the smite.  But again, only 2/day, and limited opponents. Immune to fear is also mightly handy.  The rest are fairly weak.  Bless weapon takes an action.  Divine health has _never_ come up in a game I've played in 3.x.  I won't touch this one.  Evasion is nice, but the sword sage gets a _much_ better AC bonus.   The flurry is also nice, but a monk can't keep up with a fighter or barbarian for damage, let alone the swordsage.As you might guess, I'll continue to disagree.  At level 1-6 or so, fighters and barbarians are just fine powerwise.  PHBII and complete warrior don't actually help all that much at those levels.  At higher levels, I have less of a problem with these classes, as fighter-types need a lot of love and the powers seem reasonable-ish.  But at lower levels? Also, any fighter should take one of the +1 BAB classes at 9th level.  (get 3rd-level abilities with the multi-classing rule).  _so_ much better than anything else they could get.</blockquote>

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