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<blockquote data-quote="Solarious" data-source="post: 3059339" data-attributes="member: 27346"><p>Underpowered. Warrior types were only really powerful when you either added some spellcasting so you could cast some power self-only buffs (I'm looking right at you, Wraithstrike), or you completely optimized them to become wreaking machines. To be completely honest, two handed weapon power attack fighting was one of the few ways a real warrior type could compete.</p><p></p><p>You want to be a finesse-type fighter? You don't have a snowball's hope in the Plane of Elemental Fire without sneak attack dice. Two weapon fighting? Again, with the extra dice of damage required to make it worthwhile. Sword and sheild? The Balor laughs at your puny defences, and tosses you aside with a <em>Quickened Telekenisis</em> before moving along to munch on nice, soft spellcaster flesh. Or try anyways.</p><p></p><p>And even when you did two handers, you needed to invest in numerous feats that required something that begins with 'charg' and ends with 'e'. And you -had- to plan out your character, each and every level, making sure you qualified for this tactical feat or that. You needed to mix various splatbooks together so they synergized and produced stupidly fantastic results which makes people cry out: broken!</p><p></p><p>And now.... with the PHBII and the ToB... you don't <em>have</em> to anymore.</p><p></p><p>You don't need to be able to cast <em>Evan's Spiked Tentacles of Forced Intrusion</em> in order to matter inside of combat. You don't have to use <em>Hold Monster</em> to keep those pesky minions from escaping with the McGuffin. You can make a finesse warrior without rogue levels or PrCs. Two weapon fighting is valid again!</p><p></p><p>You aren't shoehorned into a sterotype of a Greatsword weilding wave-of-meat. It's a breath of fresh air, as far as I'm concerned.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Solarious, post: 3059339, member: 27346"] Underpowered. Warrior types were only really powerful when you either added some spellcasting so you could cast some power self-only buffs (I'm looking right at you, Wraithstrike), or you completely optimized them to become wreaking machines. To be completely honest, two handed weapon power attack fighting was one of the few ways a real warrior type could compete. You want to be a finesse-type fighter? You don't have a snowball's hope in the Plane of Elemental Fire without sneak attack dice. Two weapon fighting? Again, with the extra dice of damage required to make it worthwhile. Sword and sheild? The Balor laughs at your puny defences, and tosses you aside with a [i]Quickened Telekenisis[/i] before moving along to munch on nice, soft spellcaster flesh. Or try anyways. And even when you did two handers, you needed to invest in numerous feats that required something that begins with 'charg' and ends with 'e'. And you -had- to plan out your character, each and every level, making sure you qualified for this tactical feat or that. You needed to mix various splatbooks together so they synergized and produced stupidly fantastic results which makes people cry out: broken! And now.... with the PHBII and the ToB... you don't [i]have[/i] to anymore. You don't need to be able to cast [i]Evan's Spiked Tentacles of Forced Intrusion[/i] in order to matter inside of combat. You don't have to use [i]Hold Monster[/i] to keep those pesky minions from escaping with the McGuffin. You can make a finesse warrior without rogue levels or PrCs. Two weapon fighting is valid again! You aren't shoehorned into a sterotype of a Greatsword weilding wave-of-meat. It's a breath of fresh air, as far as I'm concerned. [/QUOTE]
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