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<blockquote data-quote="pressedcat" data-source="post: 3628358" data-attributes="member: 40736"><p>Assuming a)the dm doesn't tell the cleric where to stick his metamagicked persitnt spell, b)pull out the faq with the bit about not being able to metamagic a spell over the maximum spell level the cleric can cast, c)send wave after wave of undead at the cleric whilst cackling <em>what, you haven't got any turns left?</em>, d)just dispell it...</p><p>Sure there are uber feat combos out there, but if not everybody has access to them (or wants to think up beardier combinations), it can just unbalance the party and spoil some people's fun. It might be possible that some of the players might not have the most optimal feat choices, but that's not the same as saying the swordsage wasn't overly dominant in the game.</p><p>I've seen a dwarven warblade in play from levels 3-8 in conjunction with a fighter/barbarian going down combat brute/shock trooper/combat brute/power attack route, a straight barbarian with a goliath great hammer, and a (rather pathetic) paladin going down a more defensive shield spec route. Although the fighter and barbarian were capable of dishing out more damage, we found that the warblade would hit more often because not dependent on pa, did prety respectable damage thanks to strikes, could stack his ac prety well due to stances (and spending a feat on hvy armour), automatically ignore some persistant spell effects thanks to a manoevre i cant remember the name of, and take lots of damage, all whilst tumbling around in full plate.</p><p>I wouldn't say that warblades are broken, but they can be far more versatile than the fighters and other front liners they are meant to compete against. bo9s is great, but i'm not sure i like the way it can overshadow the archetypal fighter class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pressedcat, post: 3628358, member: 40736"] Assuming a)the dm doesn't tell the cleric where to stick his metamagicked persitnt spell, b)pull out the faq with the bit about not being able to metamagic a spell over the maximum spell level the cleric can cast, c)send wave after wave of undead at the cleric whilst cackling [I]what, you haven't got any turns left?[/I], d)just dispell it... Sure there are uber feat combos out there, but if not everybody has access to them (or wants to think up beardier combinations), it can just unbalance the party and spoil some people's fun. It might be possible that some of the players might not have the most optimal feat choices, but that's not the same as saying the swordsage wasn't overly dominant in the game. I've seen a dwarven warblade in play from levels 3-8 in conjunction with a fighter/barbarian going down combat brute/shock trooper/combat brute/power attack route, a straight barbarian with a goliath great hammer, and a (rather pathetic) paladin going down a more defensive shield spec route. Although the fighter and barbarian were capable of dishing out more damage, we found that the warblade would hit more often because not dependent on pa, did prety respectable damage thanks to strikes, could stack his ac prety well due to stances (and spending a feat on hvy armour), automatically ignore some persistant spell effects thanks to a manoevre i cant remember the name of, and take lots of damage, all whilst tumbling around in full plate. I wouldn't say that warblades are broken, but they can be far more versatile than the fighters and other front liners they are meant to compete against. bo9s is great, but i'm not sure i like the way it can overshadow the archetypal fighter class. [/QUOTE]
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