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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 3631571" data-attributes="member: 51325"><p>Nope. However, how many creatures actually HAVE epic DR or 20/-? More importantly, if you're actually dealing with a creature that has such DR, I as a DM would giggle insanely if my player bothered with Ancient Mountain Hammer (this is the highest manoeuver stone dragons have that can bypass DR and that only gives a bonus of 12d6.) A round doing one normal attack (you can't even charge and use a manoeuver) + 12d6 at epic levels against an epic monster? Yeah, that's not exactly a big problem? </p><p></p><p>Beside, any creature that has epic DR and 20/- tends to be able to FLY and well, stone dragons are just plain screwed then. Don't forget, stone dragon manoeuvers ONLY work when you are in contact with the ground. At mid to high levels, this is a HUGE limitation similar to the problem Desert Wind has (at mid to high levels, it seems like anyone and their dog too has some form of Fire Resist). </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>As a 9th level melee cleric, both Align Weapon and Magic Weapn last 9 minutes. Unless you get jumped (which admittedly does happen), you'll get more than enough time to have it up and running. Beside, at 9th level, you're starting to fly and hell, even earlier, if you probably been on boats, your stone dragon friend is out of luck.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>It won't get used a lot honestly. Remember, Countercharge is an immediate action meaning if you're flat-footed, no countercharge for you so in the first round of combat it might not help and it works only against creatures that like to charge. Honestly, mages have better options in the game already. Grease, core 1st level spell. Negates charges and at higher levels, last long enough for entire battles.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Er, Warmaster's charge has so many limitations in this scenario.</p><p>1. The time it takes. </p><p>2. Steadfast Boots</p><p>3. Countercharge.</p><p></p><p>Beside, wouldn't the bigger issue be the fact that druids and mages can summon so many allies? I can do wonders with the druid and mage's summon lists as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 3631571, member: 51325"] Nope. However, how many creatures actually HAVE epic DR or 20/-? More importantly, if you're actually dealing with a creature that has such DR, I as a DM would giggle insanely if my player bothered with Ancient Mountain Hammer (this is the highest manoeuver stone dragons have that can bypass DR and that only gives a bonus of 12d6.) A round doing one normal attack (you can't even charge and use a manoeuver) + 12d6 at epic levels against an epic monster? Yeah, that's not exactly a big problem? Beside, any creature that has epic DR and 20/- tends to be able to FLY and well, stone dragons are just plain screwed then. Don't forget, stone dragon manoeuvers ONLY work when you are in contact with the ground. At mid to high levels, this is a HUGE limitation similar to the problem Desert Wind has (at mid to high levels, it seems like anyone and their dog too has some form of Fire Resist). As a 9th level melee cleric, both Align Weapon and Magic Weapn last 9 minutes. Unless you get jumped (which admittedly does happen), you'll get more than enough time to have it up and running. Beside, at 9th level, you're starting to fly and hell, even earlier, if you probably been on boats, your stone dragon friend is out of luck. It won't get used a lot honestly. Remember, Countercharge is an immediate action meaning if you're flat-footed, no countercharge for you so in the first round of combat it might not help and it works only against creatures that like to charge. Honestly, mages have better options in the game already. Grease, core 1st level spell. Negates charges and at higher levels, last long enough for entire battles. Er, Warmaster's charge has so many limitations in this scenario. 1. The time it takes. 2. Steadfast Boots 3. Countercharge. Beside, wouldn't the bigger issue be the fact that druids and mages can summon so many allies? I can do wonders with the druid and mage's summon lists as well. [/QUOTE]
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