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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pathkeeper24601" data-source="post: 7164626" data-attributes="member: 6819969">Nothing I wrote contradicts what is written in the book.  You go through great verbal gymnastics to include the application of a spell as its overall effect.  Not all the text in a spell are effect (or mechanically how it affects a target).  It is a combination of cause, effect, and trappings (fluff) written in natural language. So, lets look at BB:Cause - Caster casts the spell (with any components).Effect - Caster makes a melee attack.  If miss, there is no further effect.Cause - Caster hits target.Effect - Initial instantaneous damage is determined and target is engulfed in the surrounding effect (noticeable by description).Cause #1 - The target does not move, spell ends at the beginning of casters next turn.Cause #2 - The target moves by its own volition before casters next turn.Effect - surrounding effect goes off and damage is applied and spell endsTrappings - all damage rolled is Thunder Damage and will trigger any existing outside effect (such as Resistance) relating to Thunder damage.This series of events run parallel for each version of BB cast on the target.  In the end, there is a rule that says only the most powerful version is applied, but that rule exists outside any individual casting of the spell. Now, you want to get interesting, you combine this different rulings of movement. A creature with BB moves away from the caster.  The caster has War Caster (or whatever, don't have book). What is the order the move, BB explosion, and opportunity attack (BB) applied.  Both the initial BB and the AoO (BB) have the same trigger, moving out of current position away from caster.  Does BB go off first, the AoO applying a second BB is then resolved, or is the AoO first, and the creature has the discussed situation of having parallel effects on it?  I've seen it ruled the first when I was a Bard doing Dissonant Whispers with a Battledancer Wizard.Edit - Just kind of hit me, if you are calling the whole thing an effect, then the second part of BB would not be applied to a target unless it is a more powerful version making this discussion moot as to whether it exists in limbo or not.</blockquote>

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