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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 7175009" data-attributes="member: 6877472"><p>The question then becomes, let's say a character has failed his save against Bestow Curse, and now has disadvantage on, say, Strength saves and checks.</p><p></p><p>Later, an enemy spellcaster uses Bestow Curse (with the same level spell slot as the original curse) on that character, he fails his save.</p><p></p><p>Does he:</p><p></p><p>A- get hit by the second curse, no matter what it is.</p><p>B- get hit by the second curse, but it has no effect as a result of the Combining Magical Effects rules.</p><p>C- get hit by the second curse, but it has no effect unless it is a different curse entirely (say, now the character has disadvantage on Dexterity saves and checks).</p><p></p><p>Then, once we answer that question, we can move onto what happens if a cursed character is affected by a higher-level Bestow Curse:</p><p></p><p>A- the new curse supersedes the old curse because higher level spell slot = "more potent".</p><p>B- a longer duration/higher level spell slot does not equate to being "more potent".</p><p></p><p>As "potency" is not defined by the rules, we're left with the English definition: "having greater power, influence, or effect". </p><p></p><p>Is "potency" referring to the spell's level, or the spell's effect? Is a higher level version of the spell "more potent"? Or, as I think some of the posters are saying, can we not compare "disadvantage to Strength" to "disadvantage to Dexterity" as they are two different effects, and only "super-disadvantage to Strength" (if such a thing were possible) could be considered to be "more potent" than "disadvantage to Strength", regardless of spell level, duration, save DC or the like.</p><p></p><p>In fact, looking at save DC, if spellcaster A places a Sleet Storm with a DC of 14 in an area, and spellcaster B places a Sleet Storm with a DC of 15 in the same area, does the second Sleet Storm's effect supersede the first, due to it's higher DC, or is the effect not "more potent" because it's exactly the same as the first spell?</p><p></p><p>Where can one reasonably draw the line? The rules are silent, because 5e's goal is not to rigidly define most things, so that each DM can draw their own conclusions, which makes discussing most facets of the rules...difficult, to say the least.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 7175009, member: 6877472"] The question then becomes, let's say a character has failed his save against Bestow Curse, and now has disadvantage on, say, Strength saves and checks. Later, an enemy spellcaster uses Bestow Curse (with the same level spell slot as the original curse) on that character, he fails his save. Does he: A- get hit by the second curse, no matter what it is. B- get hit by the second curse, but it has no effect as a result of the Combining Magical Effects rules. C- get hit by the second curse, but it has no effect unless it is a different curse entirely (say, now the character has disadvantage on Dexterity saves and checks). Then, once we answer that question, we can move onto what happens if a cursed character is affected by a higher-level Bestow Curse: A- the new curse supersedes the old curse because higher level spell slot = "more potent". B- a longer duration/higher level spell slot does not equate to being "more potent". As "potency" is not defined by the rules, we're left with the English definition: "having greater power, influence, or effect". Is "potency" referring to the spell's level, or the spell's effect? Is a higher level version of the spell "more potent"? Or, as I think some of the posters are saying, can we not compare "disadvantage to Strength" to "disadvantage to Dexterity" as they are two different effects, and only "super-disadvantage to Strength" (if such a thing were possible) could be considered to be "more potent" than "disadvantage to Strength", regardless of spell level, duration, save DC or the like. In fact, looking at save DC, if spellcaster A places a Sleet Storm with a DC of 14 in an area, and spellcaster B places a Sleet Storm with a DC of 15 in the same area, does the second Sleet Storm's effect supersede the first, due to it's higher DC, or is the effect not "more potent" because it's exactly the same as the first spell? Where can one reasonably draw the line? The rules are silent, because 5e's goal is not to rigidly define most things, so that each DM can draw their own conclusions, which makes discussing most facets of the rules...difficult, to say the least. [/QUOTE]
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