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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2739276" data-attributes="member: 29014">Who ever said that the Expertising guy can only hit on a 20?  That's where you are wrong--the problem with this build is that you can set Expertise at the point where it will make you unhittable to them save on a 20 while still being able to hit them much more of the time.  You're not going to be fighting an Orc Half-Dragon Barbarian all of the time.  Let's say you are fighting a reasonable yet powerful brawn opponent--a Human Fighter with Weapon Focus, 16 Strength, and a +1 Two-Handed Weapon, total of +10 to hit.  Well, then you only need 30 AC.  Expertise for 4 with no Fighting Defensively?  Wham!  You have 30 AC and can only be hit on a 20.  Now I've only assigned a 12 to Dex for the Expertise guy, so let's say he has 14 Strength (probably an underestimate), Weapon Focus, and a Masterwork Weapon.  After Expertising for 4, your attack bonus is +5.  The enemy is going to have AC somewhere around 20 (he's a brawn guy with a two-handed weapon), so you're going to hit him much more than he will hit you.Claiming that the Expertise guy will only hit on a 20 is a strawman</blockquote>