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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2740079" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>Actually, it doesnt. All it does is make it easier to use. Overall though the power level of the feat is still pretty low.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Considering that with many touch attacks you still get your full attack bonus I'd say it would be difficult to get to the 'can only hit on a 20' with what you have listed here. Characters with good bab exactly cancel the bonus from the two feats you listed and attack bonuses from other sources will be roughly equal given the choices.</p><p></p><p>So, that is how I know. Given the information at hand it would be difficult at best. Especially if you start going for the 'minimum amount of input to move normal attacks up to the need a 20 line' in order to keep your own offensive ablities out of the gutter completely.</p><p></p><p>You cant have it both ways, unless there is other information that you have not yet put forward about the character?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This guy is sounding more and more like a god. He has unlimited resources on all fronts.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As this guy seems to be your main complaint against this houserule perhaps you would be willing to post the build?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So he was almost as strong as a windwall spell and was fighting people way, way below his level?</p><p></p><p>Again, you are making it sound like he had a great deal which is simply not being stated. A real build which could actually be looked at instead of a guy who can apparently do anything would be much more helpful.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just going by the houserule in this post it is about being able to use combat expertise and get an extra boost while using a shield. Not about improved combat expertise, although the implications can be looked at after determining the balance of the regular feat.</p><p></p><p>Given that it only works with a shield, which could be considered a weaker build normally, I think it merely helps it move up into the position that it should be: While using a shield and spending appropriate feats you are very hard to hit.</p><p></p><p>It could very well be that the extra boost should be considered a shield bonus which stacks with the shield bonus of the shield instead of a dodge bonus as it would currently work.</p><p></p><p>It would be good to find out <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 2740079, member: 5777"] Actually, it doesnt. All it does is make it easier to use. Overall though the power level of the feat is still pretty low. Considering that with many touch attacks you still get your full attack bonus I'd say it would be difficult to get to the 'can only hit on a 20' with what you have listed here. Characters with good bab exactly cancel the bonus from the two feats you listed and attack bonuses from other sources will be roughly equal given the choices. So, that is how I know. Given the information at hand it would be difficult at best. Especially if you start going for the 'minimum amount of input to move normal attacks up to the need a 20 line' in order to keep your own offensive ablities out of the gutter completely. You cant have it both ways, unless there is other information that you have not yet put forward about the character? This guy is sounding more and more like a god. He has unlimited resources on all fronts. As this guy seems to be your main complaint against this houserule perhaps you would be willing to post the build? So he was almost as strong as a windwall spell and was fighting people way, way below his level? Again, you are making it sound like he had a great deal which is simply not being stated. A real build which could actually be looked at instead of a guy who can apparently do anything would be much more helpful. Just going by the houserule in this post it is about being able to use combat expertise and get an extra boost while using a shield. Not about improved combat expertise, although the implications can be looked at after determining the balance of the regular feat. Given that it only works with a shield, which could be considered a weaker build normally, I think it merely helps it move up into the position that it should be: While using a shield and spending appropriate feats you are very hard to hit. It could very well be that the extra boost should be considered a shield bonus which stacks with the shield bonus of the shield instead of a dodge bonus as it would currently work. It would be good to find out ;) [/QUOTE]
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