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Boosting the bard=> full BAB; d8 hit die?
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<blockquote data-quote="LazarusLong42" data-source="post: 1822974" data-attributes="member: 9620"><p>Ay yi yi, all the bard bashing in here... wow.</p><p></p><p>The thing about bards is, you can make them whatever you want them to be, without worrying about multiclassing.</p><p></p><p>You want a more martial bard? Take Weapon Finesse, work up the tree to Spring Attack, and put ranks in Tumble. You'll do as much damage as the rogue except when he gets a sneak attack, and you'll be more mobile than the cleric. Alternatively, bards make impressive archers--not as good as a ranger of the same level, but with a lot more options than the ranger.</p><p></p><p>You want a spellcasting-focused bard? Take Spell Focus (Enchantment) or (Illusion) or both, puff up your Charisma with a cloak, and focus on taking the enemy out by befriending them or misdirecting them. Srop ranks into Spellcraft and Use Magic Device, so that by eighth or ninth level you can use <em>any</em> wand with high success. Now your bard can toss fireballs/scorching rays/what have you like the wizard. Even better, take Craft Wand and convince your favorite spellcaster to help you prep the wands with their spells.</p><p></p><p>You want a sneaky bard? Invest ranks in Hide and Move Silently, or go social-sneaky and try out Forgery and Disguise, two very neglected skills. Skill Focus is your friend here, along with a gamut of spells that can make you sneakier. Who needs the Open Lock skill when you have the <em>shatter</em> spell prepped?</p><p></p><p>Or, you can literally be the jack-of-all-trades, which is how the Bard class was really designed. A little of this, a little of that. Your AC and attack bonuses are higher than the wizard's but lower than the fighter's, but your spellcasting is, well, in between as well. You're the backup healer, the backup lockpick with <em>shatter</em>, a good support fighter, an excellent buffer... and you're pretty good at leading the party when it comes to social situations, too.</p><p></p><p>Of course, it doesn't hurt to mention the +1 or more to attack and damage in just about every battle you'll ever see. For everyone in your party.</p><p></p><p>Bards don't need a higher BAB or higher HD; and personally, I have plenty of fun with mine. But they aren't for everyone--just as I would find playing a fighter rather dull.</p><p></p><p>/Bard apologist since 2000.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LazarusLong42, post: 1822974, member: 9620"] Ay yi yi, all the bard bashing in here... wow. The thing about bards is, you can make them whatever you want them to be, without worrying about multiclassing. You want a more martial bard? Take Weapon Finesse, work up the tree to Spring Attack, and put ranks in Tumble. You'll do as much damage as the rogue except when he gets a sneak attack, and you'll be more mobile than the cleric. Alternatively, bards make impressive archers--not as good as a ranger of the same level, but with a lot more options than the ranger. You want a spellcasting-focused bard? Take Spell Focus (Enchantment) or (Illusion) or both, puff up your Charisma with a cloak, and focus on taking the enemy out by befriending them or misdirecting them. Srop ranks into Spellcraft and Use Magic Device, so that by eighth or ninth level you can use [i]any[/i] wand with high success. Now your bard can toss fireballs/scorching rays/what have you like the wizard. Even better, take Craft Wand and convince your favorite spellcaster to help you prep the wands with their spells. You want a sneaky bard? Invest ranks in Hide and Move Silently, or go social-sneaky and try out Forgery and Disguise, two very neglected skills. Skill Focus is your friend here, along with a gamut of spells that can make you sneakier. Who needs the Open Lock skill when you have the [i]shatter[/i] spell prepped? Or, you can literally be the jack-of-all-trades, which is how the Bard class was really designed. A little of this, a little of that. Your AC and attack bonuses are higher than the wizard's but lower than the fighter's, but your spellcasting is, well, in between as well. You're the backup healer, the backup lockpick with [i]shatter[/i], a good support fighter, an excellent buffer... and you're pretty good at leading the party when it comes to social situations, too. Of course, it doesn't hurt to mention the +1 or more to attack and damage in just about every battle you'll ever see. For everyone in your party. Bards don't need a higher BAB or higher HD; and personally, I have plenty of fun with mine. But they aren't for everyone--just as I would find playing a fighter rather dull. /Bard apologist since 2000. [/QUOTE]
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