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<blockquote data-quote="Andion Isurand" data-source="post: 758293" data-attributes="member: 10062"><p>Savage Species includes one spell to enhance each type of natural movement speed ( fly, swim, burrow).</p><p></p><p>The spells Fly & Expeditous Retreat do not stack, since they affect only the subject, and not one another's effects.</p><p></p><p>The spell Expeditous Retreat, and the SS boots don't stack for the same reason. The boots double my speed and the spell doubles my speed as well.... but one doesn't double the other. They work independantly from one another and don't interact.</p><p></p><p>It is like casting Greater Magic Weapon (caster level 20) on a +5 weapon. Its redundant.</p><p></p><p>That is why I converted the 6th level psionic power "Improved Fly" (speed 180 feet... speed 150 feet for bigger loads) into an arcane spell.</p><p></p><p>//////////////////////////////////////////////////</p><p></p><p>Besides... if your ""multiplier"" bonuses did stack, why wouldn't I just cast Expeditious Retreat on myself over and over again.</p><p>If you say no to this.... what spell do you think fuels the SS boots.</p><p></p><p>UBER_MUNCHKIN_RED_MAGE: Yes, I would like to buy 10 stones (unsloted wonderous items) of expeditious retreat. I will call the the first stone... the stone of great speed. I will call the the second stone... the swiftness stone. I will call the third stone... the stone of fast feet. By giving them all different names, thier ""multiplier"" bonuses will all stack.</p><p></p><p>//////////////////////////////////////////////////</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>That says nothing about what type of Bonus it uses... but we know what spell it uses..... so they are both the same enhancement bonus.</p><p></p><p>Whether you add something it to itself, or you double it, its still the same enhancement.</p><p></p><p>2 x speed = speed + speed</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andion Isurand, post: 758293, member: 10062"] Savage Species includes one spell to enhance each type of natural movement speed ( fly, swim, burrow). The spells Fly & Expeditous Retreat do not stack, since they affect only the subject, and not one another's effects. The spell Expeditous Retreat, and the SS boots don't stack for the same reason. The boots double my speed and the spell doubles my speed as well.... but one doesn't double the other. They work independantly from one another and don't interact. It is like casting Greater Magic Weapon (caster level 20) on a +5 weapon. Its redundant. That is why I converted the 6th level psionic power "Improved Fly" (speed 180 feet... speed 150 feet for bigger loads) into an arcane spell. ////////////////////////////////////////////////// Besides... if your ""multiplier"" bonuses did stack, why wouldn't I just cast Expeditious Retreat on myself over and over again. If you say no to this.... what spell do you think fuels the SS boots. UBER_MUNCHKIN_RED_MAGE: Yes, I would like to buy 10 stones (unsloted wonderous items) of expeditious retreat. I will call the the first stone... the stone of great speed. I will call the the second stone... the swiftness stone. I will call the third stone... the stone of fast feet. By giving them all different names, thier ""multiplier"" bonuses will all stack. ////////////////////////////////////////////////// That says nothing about what type of Bonus it uses... but we know what spell it uses..... so they are both the same enhancement bonus. Whether you add something it to itself, or you double it, its still the same enhancement. 2 x speed = speed + speed [/QUOTE]
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