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<blockquote data-quote="Mouseferatu" data-source="post: 287655" data-attributes="member: 1288">I've done that.&nbsp; I've thrown 60 orcs at one party, over a hundred kobolds at another.&nbsp; Once the heroes have reached even the low mid-levels, it doesn't work.A handful of well-placed Fireballs will wipe out 50 goblins as easily as they'll kill one.&nbsp; And I've yet to find a believable way to let a horde of goblins sneak up on a party until they're too close to use area spells.&nbsp; To say nothing of the fact that a single mid-level fighter with the right feats can kill 6 or 8 in one round, and they can probably only hit him on a natural 20.(Although I have an amusing image of 50 goblins up on tiptoes, each &quot;ssh!&quot;-ing the one behind them.&nbsp; &quot;Be vewy, vewy quiet.&nbsp; We're hunting adventuwews...&quot;)&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />The &quot;big monster you can't defeat but have to escape from&quot; works well, however.&nbsp; I've done that several times.Your other option is a big monster that the PCs have to work around, rather than defeat.&nbsp; Pitted a party of three 12th level characters against a Balor at the end of my last campaign.&nbsp; Slaughter, right?&nbsp; No, because they didn't have to kill it, just manage to get past it.&nbsp; One of the most dramatic combats of the campaign, and the only one in which a PC died, but they ultimately won.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mouseferatu, post: 287655, member: 1288"] I've done that. I've thrown 60 orcs at one party, over a hundred kobolds at another. Once the heroes have reached even the low mid-levels, it doesn't work. A handful of well-placed Fireballs will wipe out 50 goblins as easily as they'll kill one. And I've yet to find a believable way to let a horde of goblins sneak up on a party until they're too close to use area spells. To say nothing of the fact that a single mid-level fighter with the right feats can kill 6 or 8 in one round, and they can probably only hit him on a natural 20. (Although I have an amusing image of 50 goblins up on tiptoes, each "ssh!"-ing the one behind them. "Be vewy, vewy quiet. We're hunting adventuwews...") :D The "big monster you can't defeat but have to escape from" works well, however. I've done that several times. Your other option is a big monster that the PCs have to work around, rather than defeat. Pitted a party of three 12th level characters against a Balor at the end of my last campaign. Slaughter, right? No, because they didn't have to kill it, just manage to get [i]past[/i] it. One of the most dramatic combats of the campaign, and the only one in which a PC died, but they ultimately won. [/QUOTE]

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