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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wlmartin" data-source="post: 5662326" data-attributes="member: 6679380">Ah that makes a bit more sense Don't forget the 20 that the Encounter one does!Either way, Ongoing Damage is just painful - I have not ever studied it but I would reckon that most people would save (without intervention) about 50% of the time so would take 1-2 of the damage, split it and that attack is worth 15 damage on its own which for a monster of 10th lvl is pretty powerful.The one thing that the DMG or MM does not teach you about D&D is that although everything in the game is designed to be balanced, there are some interesting combos that players come up with incorporating their own and ally powers... even a MASSIVLY superior monster can lose it against a well trained and oiled party... chances are if you have been DMing this group for the past 7 levels you will have an idea of what they can / can't take - I am just surprised they could take this guyI am glad you had fun though</blockquote>