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<blockquote data-quote="Selfloathing" data-source="post: 27032" data-attributes="member: 558">Eh. The problem seems, to me, to be that a lot of people hear &quot;Young Adult White&quot; or whatever, and automaticly turn that into &quot;Great Wyrm Red/Gold&quot;. I tend so see a lot of posts where it's just assumed that the Dragon in question had access to 9th level magic, tons of divination, should have had the drop on the party, should have had it's lair trapped to the point where theres no way it could actualy LIVE in said lair, etc. The middle aged dragons seem a bit overdone to me as well. Consider that an demihuman mage of a CR needed to have a decent fight with it will often be smarter, and older to boot. Repeat with cleric or sorc for the other mental stats. Keep in mind also that no matter how much more tricky and clever any given dragon may be, it's still just one Dragon vs. four or more PCs, who've had quite a bit of time being tricky themselves, if their still alive.Once you get into the truly old dragons, however, all bets are off. (Though I still feel that the #1 bad guy type should be a beefy lich or demon. Or demonic lich, heh heh.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Selfloathing, post: 27032, member: 558"] Eh. The problem seems, to me, to be that a lot of people hear "Young Adult White" or whatever, and automaticly turn that into "Great Wyrm Red/Gold". I tend so see a lot of posts where it's just assumed that the Dragon in question had access to 9th level magic, tons of divination, should have had the drop on the party, should have had it's lair trapped to the point where theres no way it could actualy LIVE in said lair, etc. The middle aged dragons seem a bit overdone to me as well. Consider that an demihuman mage of a CR needed to have a decent fight with it will often be smarter, and older to boot. Repeat with cleric or sorc for the other mental stats. Keep in mind also that no matter how much more tricky and clever any given dragon may be, it's still just one Dragon vs. four or more PCs, who've had quite a bit of time being tricky themselves, if their still alive. Once you get into the truly old dragons, however, all bets are off. (Though I still feel that the #1 bad guy type should be a beefy lich or demon. Or demonic lich, heh heh.) [/QUOTE]

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