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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7875671" data-attributes="member: 4937">Yeah, I think we are stuck on the difference between &quot;intuitive to use the system&quot; and &quot;the system produces results that are intuitive&quot;.&nbsp; In the case of the D20 jump check, a simple pass/fail check makes for something intuitive to use, but the results if examined in context don't actually resemble what we'd intuitively expect if we tested a real athlete in a series of jumps.Elegance in my opinion is &quot;ingenious simplicity&quot;. As such, whenever I'm saying something is elegant, I am always saying that it is simple. Elegance is one of those hard to define things that nonetheless plays a big role in what I do for a living. You know when a solution is elegant because what is a solution has some concrete test of correctness, and you can generally tell that it is elegant because it requires less man hours to implement, or less code to implement, or whatever. When you are using a less elegant approach, and someone suggests a more elegant one, then you recognize it. Proving elegance in the general case or describing it is hard, but it's a real thing in my experience.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7875671, member: 4937"] Yeah, I think we are stuck on the difference between "intuitive to use the system" and "the system produces results that are intuitive". In the case of the D20 jump check, a simple pass/fail check makes for something intuitive to use, but the results if examined in context don't actually resemble what we'd intuitively expect if we tested a real athlete in a series of jumps. Elegance in my opinion is "ingenious simplicity". As such, whenever I'm saying something is elegant, I am always saying that it is simple. Elegance is one of those hard to define things that nonetheless plays a big role in what I do for a living. You know when a solution is elegant because what is a solution has some concrete test of correctness, and you can generally tell that it is elegant because it requires less man hours to implement, or less code to implement, or whatever. When you are using a less elegant approach, and someone suggests a more elegant one, then you recognize it. Proving elegance in the general case or describing it is hard, but it's a real thing in my experience. [/QUOTE]

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