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<blockquote data-quote="Tormyr" data-source="post: 6442480" data-attributes="member: 6776887">One thing that I have noticed about the later part of this discussion (at the risk of over generalizing) is that everyone seems to be handling success or failure as solely the result of the PCs talent.&nbsp; The die roll, in my opinion, reflects more than that. It incorporates not just the ability (the +X bonus) versus the difficulty (the DC) but also the random bits of fate that happen.&nbsp; I have a rogue with a +10 to Dexterity (Thieves Tools) checks. She biffed a DC20 lock. Generally she gets these.&nbsp; In this case, the area was old and abandoned so I narrated that part of the mechanism was rusted and snapped while she was picking the lock. A Strength (Athletics) check that is failed by the strong fighter just means that some oil got on the rope, or they hit a wet mossy spot on the wall.&nbsp; I guess what I am saying is that even if the adventurers should be walking through tasks, feces occur.Now, some of the best moments at our gaming table are when somebody fails at something. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tormyr, post: 6442480, member: 6776887"] One thing that I have noticed about the later part of this discussion (at the risk of over generalizing) is that everyone seems to be handling success or failure as solely the result of the PCs talent. The die roll, in my opinion, reflects more than that. It incorporates not just the ability (the +X bonus) versus the difficulty (the DC) but also the random bits of fate that happen. I have a rogue with a +10 to Dexterity (Thieves Tools) checks. She biffed a DC20 lock. Generally she gets these. In this case, the area was old and abandoned so I narrated that part of the mechanism was rusted and snapped while she was picking the lock. A Strength (Athletics) check that is failed by the strong fighter just means that some oil got on the rope, or they hit a wet mossy spot on the wall. I guess what I am saying is that even if the adventurers [I]should[/I] be walking through tasks, feces occur. Now, some of the best moments at our gaming table are when somebody fails at something. :) [/QUOTE]

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