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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6447821" data-attributes="member: 4937">Strength has always been a problem this way because strength usually involves something that is not doubtful, or at least, the range of reasonable results are more heavily constrained than typical fortune tests allow for.I realize that is a disappointing answer, but its a standard design issue with many systems that strength tests don't fit in nicely with a unified system.  For me, jump checks in 3e were a real headache, and I'm still not happy with the situation.   While there is some reasonable variation in how far you can jump, realistically it is much smaller than the variation implied by the d20 roll.   The variation of 1-20 is much higher than the variation of ranks in the jump skill (a person with 8 ranks in jump can't reliably jump further than a person with no ranks), leading to the problem of not being able to rely on your jump distance which is neither realistic nor conducive to game centric play.  I think the answer is either kludge things as some have already suggested or else break strength checks out into their own system.   For example for 'jump' or 'lift' you could compute a standard jump or lift, and use the fortune test to calculate a percentage around the standard (90-110% of the standard, for example).  Of course, either way you have problems in that your system becomes inelegant.</blockquote>