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<blockquote data-quote="RobNJ" data-source="post: 369319" data-attributes="member: 3617">I mostly agree with what you have to say, however:Why is this even out of bounds?&nbsp; Since when is the simple gross-out a horrible, or even immature thing?&nbsp; A grossout isn't necessarily easy to do (different people have different tolerance levels), and it certainly isn't an indication that someone hasn't matured.I happen to like dark gaming, a lot.&nbsp; I would enjoy an evil campaign if it didn't almost always result in the players killing one another's characters (note: this only seems to happen in D&amp;D, where the goofy alignment system makes people think too literally--take a look at Vampire: The Masquerade, the &quot;evil&quot; people there often manage to get along).&nbsp; What I have a real problem with is people blithely branding me an evil, emotionally crippled, immature sociopath for enjoying reading and partaking in transgressive entertainment.By the way, &quot;dark&quot; gaming is not so-last-decade.&nbsp; While D&amp;D is the undeniable king in terms of role playing sales, there are plenty of dark video games, movies, comics and books out there that trade on the exact same sensebilities.&nbsp; I also think that D&amp;D may have an unnatural pull on the audience, that its dominance is a self-fulfilling prophecy.&nbsp; That is to say for most of the people in the world, role playing games = D&amp;D, which may turn off people who would be interested in morally grey role playing games to the whole genre.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RobNJ, post: 369319, member: 3617"] I mostly agree with what you have to say, however: Why is this even out of bounds? Since when is the simple gross-out a horrible, or even immature thing? A grossout isn't necessarily easy to do (different people have different tolerance levels), and it certainly isn't an indication that someone hasn't matured. I happen to like dark gaming, a lot. I would enjoy an evil campaign if it didn't almost always result in the players killing one another's characters (note: this only seems to happen in D&D, where the goofy alignment system makes people think too literally--take a look at Vampire: The Masquerade, the "evil" people there often manage to get along). What I have a real problem with is people blithely branding me an evil, emotionally crippled, immature sociopath for enjoying reading and partaking in transgressive entertainment. By the way, "dark" gaming is not so-last-decade. While D&D is the undeniable king in terms of role playing sales, there are plenty of dark video games, movies, comics and books out there that trade on the exact same sensebilities. I also think that D&D may have an unnatural pull on the audience, that its dominance is a self-fulfilling prophecy. That is to say for most of the people in the world, role playing games = D&D, which may turn off people who would be interested in morally grey role playing games to the whole genre. [/QUOTE]

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