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<blockquote data-quote="Great Umbrage" data-source="post: 371534" data-attributes="member: 4063"><p>Hmm, this discussion somehow got a lot more exposure when Tracy Hickman threw in his two coppers...</p><p></p><p>Frankly, I really don't have a clear view, from all of the hype, about what BoVD will contain and whether it will be worth buying. Depending on if it is good or not, that can be considered good or bad advertising.</p><p></p><p>But the detractors of the book seem to fixate on the fact that it deals with evil and ickyness...I know TH's view on RPGs and stories in general should be such that good always triumphs in the end over evil, blah blah blah. That's nice. He also used to write pretty good DL novels.</p><p></p><p>In truth, there really shouldn't be any boundaries on what we RP, though what WotC markets should not stretch the boundaries of decency. Does BoVD do this? It seems to merit a "Mature" label, though whether this is marketing or not is beyond me. A lot of content out there with a Mature label usually involves either violence or graphic sex...and occasionally language.</p><p></p><p>D&D already has half-naked chicks in chainmail, but I doubt they'd venture into porn...too much competition there already. Violence? That already exists in the typical D&D campaign.</p><p></p><p>If not violence or graphic sex, then dare we believe that the book actually deals with "mature" themes in the real sense of the word, rather than in the juvenile? Are the people disturbed by the impending release of the book the very ones that are opposed to the depiction of evil in general?</p><p></p><p>I know, for a fact, that a good deal of gamers look forward to this book simply for the statistics of archdevils and demon lords...that thread topic was rampant on these boards a few months ago when the book was announced. Whether they want to pit their characters against these baddies or worship them is a silly question, or should be.</p><p></p><p>I don't expect BoVD to glorify evil. It's an RPG supplement. It's not real life. It's not a primer on terrorism or rape. What it might do, however, is to help DMs generate a villain more realistic and interesting than the evil conqueror stereotype who captures the heroes and has to detail his evil plans for taking over the world while the heroes make good their escape and defeat the villain in grand fashion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Great Umbrage, post: 371534, member: 4063"] Hmm, this discussion somehow got a lot more exposure when Tracy Hickman threw in his two coppers... Frankly, I really don't have a clear view, from all of the hype, about what BoVD will contain and whether it will be worth buying. Depending on if it is good or not, that can be considered good or bad advertising. But the detractors of the book seem to fixate on the fact that it deals with evil and ickyness...I know TH's view on RPGs and stories in general should be such that good always triumphs in the end over evil, blah blah blah. That's nice. He also used to write pretty good DL novels. In truth, there really shouldn't be any boundaries on what we RP, though what WotC markets should not stretch the boundaries of decency. Does BoVD do this? It seems to merit a "Mature" label, though whether this is marketing or not is beyond me. A lot of content out there with a Mature label usually involves either violence or graphic sex...and occasionally language. D&D already has half-naked chicks in chainmail, but I doubt they'd venture into porn...too much competition there already. Violence? That already exists in the typical D&D campaign. If not violence or graphic sex, then dare we believe that the book actually deals with "mature" themes in the real sense of the word, rather than in the juvenile? Are the people disturbed by the impending release of the book the very ones that are opposed to the depiction of evil in general? I know, for a fact, that a good deal of gamers look forward to this book simply for the statistics of archdevils and demon lords...that thread topic was rampant on these boards a few months ago when the book was announced. Whether they want to pit their characters against these baddies or worship them is a silly question, or should be. I don't expect BoVD to glorify evil. It's an RPG supplement. It's not real life. It's not a primer on terrorism or rape. What it might do, however, is to help DMs generate a villain more realistic and interesting than the evil conqueror stereotype who captures the heroes and has to detail his evil plans for taking over the world while the heroes make good their escape and defeat the villain in grand fashion. [/QUOTE]
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