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<blockquote data-quote="HarryFlashman" data-source="post: 1345548" data-attributes="member: 16377">I typically run a&nbsp; low magic&nbsp; setting using the&nbsp;&nbsp; Grim-n-Gritty rules.&nbsp; &nbsp; As such I have never&nbsp; liked the&nbsp; &nbsp; 3E rules for&nbsp; weapons.&nbsp; They rarely take into account&nbsp; how&nbsp; deadly weapons truly were.&nbsp;&nbsp; But this is not about my&nbsp; distates for the&nbsp; 3E weapon's stats.A&nbsp; Few rules:&nbsp;&nbsp; Bolts are&nbsp;&nbsp; very&nbsp; sturdy compared to arrows.&nbsp; Give them a&nbsp; better&nbsp; survivability rate.&nbsp; 25% on a&nbsp; successful hit, 50% on an unsuccessful attackin&nbsp; AD&amp;D 1st ed missile&nbsp; weapon changed&nbsp; range&nbsp; increments when it&nbsp; was used in a dungeon.&nbsp; In real life a&nbsp; Crossbow is typically&nbsp; shot&nbsp; directly at&nbsp; an oponent with little or&nbsp; no arc where as&nbsp;&nbsp; Bows&nbsp; are nearly always&nbsp; shot at&nbsp; an arc.&nbsp; Reduce the&nbsp; maximum range of&nbsp; bows&nbsp; when used in enclosed&nbsp; places. Historically &quot;heavy crossbows&quot; were highly effective&nbsp; against&nbsp; armored troops.&nbsp; In Grim-n-Gritty they recieve a&nbsp; penetration bonus which I would not&nbsp; see being unreasonable.Using a&nbsp; Bow Stave as a&nbsp; weapon is&nbsp; uttery&nbsp; stupid or the act of a&nbsp; desparate&nbsp; desparate man.&nbsp; Clobbering&nbsp; an&nbsp; Ork&nbsp; with the butt of your&nbsp; Crossbow when in close combat is&nbsp;&nbsp; highly sensible.&nbsp; Drawing your&nbsp; Sword&nbsp; next would be&nbsp; more&nbsp; sensible, still.&nbsp; i would rule that a&nbsp;&nbsp; Bow, used in close combat as a weapon, would be&nbsp; ruined as a bow.&nbsp; Of&nbsp; course&nbsp; Crossbows would not suffer&nbsp; this problem.Historically Longbows were&nbsp; &nbsp; exotic weapons&nbsp; requiring&nbsp; years of&nbsp;&nbsp; practice and training.&nbsp; Crossbows&nbsp; could be handed to the nearest&nbsp; peasant and&nbsp; become highly effective&nbsp;&nbsp; weapons in their hands.In real life&nbsp; I would prefer to&nbsp; face a man with a&nbsp; bow rather than a&nbsp; crossbow so long as their&nbsp; training was similar.&nbsp;&nbsp; On a field of battle&nbsp; bowmen were typically&nbsp; only&nbsp; successful&nbsp; in large groups.&nbsp; Not so with the crossbowman.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HarryFlashman, post: 1345548, member: 16377"] I typically run a low magic setting using the Grim-n-Gritty rules. As such I have never liked the 3E rules for weapons. They rarely take into account how deadly weapons truly were. But this is not about my distates for the 3E weapon's stats. A Few rules: Bolts are very sturdy compared to arrows. Give them a better survivability rate. 25% on a successful hit, 50% on an unsuccessful attack in AD&D 1st ed missile weapon changed range increments when it was used in a dungeon. In real life a Crossbow is typically shot directly at an oponent with little or no arc where as Bows are nearly always shot at an arc. Reduce the maximum range of bows when used in enclosed places. Historically "heavy crossbows" were highly effective against armored troops. In Grim-n-Gritty they recieve a penetration bonus which I would not see being unreasonable. Using a Bow Stave as a weapon is uttery stupid or the act of a desparate desparate man. Clobbering an Ork with the butt of your Crossbow when in close combat is highly sensible. Drawing your Sword next would be more sensible, still. i would rule that a Bow, used in close combat as a weapon, would be ruined as a bow. Of course Crossbows would not suffer this problem. Historically Longbows were exotic weapons requiring years of practice and training. Crossbows could be handed to the nearest peasant and become highly effective weapons in their hands. In real life I would prefer to face a man with a bow rather than a crossbow so long as their training was similar. On a field of battle bowmen were typically only successful in large groups. Not so with the crossbowman. [/QUOTE]

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