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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3011288" data-attributes="member: 2011">And Metamagic Specialists could not quicken 0th level spells at 8th level for what reason?And, they can still do it more often per day than the 7th (or even 8th) level Wizard, over a larger spell selection than the Wizard (i.e. the Wizard is limited to which 0th level spell(s) he Quickened today, the Sorcerer can do it for any of his 0th level spells), or not at all.0th level spells are not the issue. It's 1st through 5th level spells that make it potent.But, the Spontaneous aspect of two spells per round is what is huge.I have no idea what you mean by this dumping comment.But, we just have different opinions on what great ideas are. Sorcerers are, quite frankly, the most powerful core arcane casters due to spontaneous metamagic and more spells per day than any other caster. The main limiting factor outside of number of spells known was that all other core casters (except Bards) could get two spells off in a single round whereas Sorcerers could not. With the introduction of Metamagic Rods and Swift/Immediate spells, this has eroded somewhat, but both of these are costly options (one in cash and the other in eating into Known Spells). However, giving Sorcerers two spontaneous spells per round anytime he wants (4 times per day) for most of his lower level spells with a single feat and with no magic items erodes that balance a lot further.Spontaneous casting is potent. Spontaneous Metamagic casting is even more potent. But, both of these pale besides the ability to cast two spontaneous (where one of them can be metamagicked in other ways) spells per round. In fact, Metamagic Specialist allows a Sorcerer to cast two spontaneous metamagicked spells per round where both of them can be metamagicked in multiple ways.Granted, it is only 4+ times per day, but when compared with Sudden Quicken at 1 feat instead of 7, it's totally broke. The same designers did not make these two rules. One set of designers realized the real potential of spontaneous Quicken and the others did not.</blockquote>

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