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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 7460181" data-attributes="member: 23484"><p>Well, no. You brought up the prevalence of spellcasters, so the assumption is explicitly yours. It's beholden on you to describe why you think they would be rare. </p><p></p><p>Given the prevalence of deities seeking to exert their influence in the world, we know they all have clerics among their adherents. In addition, there are many clerics not associated with individual gods (e. g. "Some clerics in Faerun belong to an established religious hierarchy, but many do not." SCAG 125; natural English makes "some" a smaller set than the "many", but I won't push that). Now add the deities for other intelligent species, which each also have their own clerics (heck, even an Eye of Gruumsh has the ability to cast second-level cleric spells). So there are lots of clerics: we can assume a pyramidal hierarchy (fewer 10th level than 9th, etc.) and they are found, in temples and out, throughout society.</p><p></p><p>The second-level spell is available to any third-level cleric. It is also fantastically useful. No good cleric has any reason not to offer it to a believer or potential believer (or stranger, or patient, or petitioner, however you want to frame it) whenever possible: blindness, deafness, paralysis, and disease are all curable for no real cost to the cleric at the end of almost every day. </p><p></p><p>Yes, the spell necessarily has a radical impact on society's demographics so that they do not map onto pre-industrial societies on earth. Magic is transformative.</p><p></p><p>Now of course every table operates with unique assumptions, and DM fiat can make what's published for a setting no longer true. And so we come back to my question: why clerics capable of casting the spell would be rare -- so rare that they would not be accessible to someone wanting to be relieved of a lifelong affliction )not all will want to see of course, but some will). </p><p></p><p>Doctors are roughly 1 in 500 of the population in North America. If we make clerics capable of casting the spell 10x rarer than that, that's still 200 per million population. I'm comfortable offering 2 orders of magnitude (1 in 50000) and still stand by the claim that it is trivially solvable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kobold Stew, post: 7460181, member: 23484"] Well, no. You brought up the prevalence of spellcasters, so the assumption is explicitly yours. It's beholden on you to describe why you think they would be rare. Given the prevalence of deities seeking to exert their influence in the world, we know they all have clerics among their adherents. In addition, there are many clerics not associated with individual gods (e. g. "Some clerics in Faerun belong to an established religious hierarchy, but many do not." SCAG 125; natural English makes "some" a smaller set than the "many", but I won't push that). Now add the deities for other intelligent species, which each also have their own clerics (heck, even an Eye of Gruumsh has the ability to cast second-level cleric spells). So there are lots of clerics: we can assume a pyramidal hierarchy (fewer 10th level than 9th, etc.) and they are found, in temples and out, throughout society. The second-level spell is available to any third-level cleric. It is also fantastically useful. No good cleric has any reason not to offer it to a believer or potential believer (or stranger, or patient, or petitioner, however you want to frame it) whenever possible: blindness, deafness, paralysis, and disease are all curable for no real cost to the cleric at the end of almost every day. Yes, the spell necessarily has a radical impact on society's demographics so that they do not map onto pre-industrial societies on earth. Magic is transformative. Now of course every table operates with unique assumptions, and DM fiat can make what's published for a setting no longer true. And so we come back to my question: why clerics capable of casting the spell would be rare -- so rare that they would not be accessible to someone wanting to be relieved of a lifelong affliction )not all will want to see of course, but some will). Doctors are roughly 1 in 500 of the population in North America. If we make clerics capable of casting the spell 10x rarer than that, that's still 200 per million population. I'm comfortable offering 2 orders of magnitude (1 in 50000) and still stand by the claim that it is trivially solvable. [/QUOTE]
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