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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6685702" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>Yup.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I know. I didn't mean to intimate that if it looked like that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For instance:</p><p></p><p>You're in Epic Tier where you're physical checks in SCs should be producing genre-coherent results. You're a demi-god (see my comparison to MHRP's Power Traits). You're in a social SC where you're demanding King So and So (love that guy) open his gates and let in the flood of refugees from Boopdeville (great town...especially this time of year) in. The opposition are high up on ramparts, big guns (ballistas let's say) trained upon your group on the ground. They aren't interested in your demands and they feel they've got leverage. The Fighter wants to remove that leverage. In the abstract conflict resolution system of an SC, an action declaration of "I leap up on ramparts from the ground and snap the ballista in half with my bare hands" should be permissible based on a reasonable interpretation of genre fidelity of the Epic Tier. Let the PC test their protagonism. They do. A successful result against the Hard DC of 42 should lock in an affirmative result. The Fighter makes the amazing leap and crushes the ballista, removing the leverage. </p><p></p><p>The tactical combat mechanics and their (extremely functional and expeditious) "simmy/gamist" marriage disagree with that leap. This is because the reach capable in that 42 result goes down to 12ish feet within the tactical combat resolution mechanics vs the genre-coherent 25ish or whatever feet that might be permissible within the SC mechanics. If that situation escalates into a combat (where you're pulling out the full fledged tactical combat resolution mechanics) and you try to integrate that social SC, things go pear-shaped because you're either (a) making what is permissible within the SC mechanics (due to genre-fidelity ruling the roost) suddenly non-permissable or (b), you're giving the Fighter a competitive advantage with tactical movement capabilities that are outside of the allowable scope of the combat resolution mechanics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6685702, member: 6696971"] Yup. No, I know. I didn't mean to intimate that if it looked like that. For instance: You're in Epic Tier where you're physical checks in SCs should be producing genre-coherent results. You're a demi-god (see my comparison to MHRP's Power Traits). You're in a social SC where you're demanding King So and So (love that guy) open his gates and let in the flood of refugees from Boopdeville (great town...especially this time of year) in. The opposition are high up on ramparts, big guns (ballistas let's say) trained upon your group on the ground. They aren't interested in your demands and they feel they've got leverage. The Fighter wants to remove that leverage. In the abstract conflict resolution system of an SC, an action declaration of "I leap up on ramparts from the ground and snap the ballista in half with my bare hands" should be permissible based on a reasonable interpretation of genre fidelity of the Epic Tier. Let the PC test their protagonism. They do. A successful result against the Hard DC of 42 should lock in an affirmative result. The Fighter makes the amazing leap and crushes the ballista, removing the leverage. The tactical combat mechanics and their (extremely functional and expeditious) "simmy/gamist" marriage disagree with that leap. This is because the reach capable in that 42 result goes down to 12ish feet within the tactical combat resolution mechanics vs the genre-coherent 25ish or whatever feet that might be permissible within the SC mechanics. If that situation escalates into a combat (where you're pulling out the full fledged tactical combat resolution mechanics) and you try to integrate that social SC, things go pear-shaped because you're either (a) making what is permissible within the SC mechanics (due to genre-fidelity ruling the roost) suddenly non-permissable or (b), you're giving the Fighter a competitive advantage with tactical movement capabilities that are outside of the allowable scope of the combat resolution mechanics. [/QUOTE]
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