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<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 5475346" data-attributes="member: 78958">The way I imagine it, you could do the following:1. You can use your metamagic feats a total number of times per day equal to the total amount of metamagic feats you have. That means you have a pool of metamagic uses.2. Each metamagic feat has a prerequisite that reads &quot;must be able to cast X level spells&quot;.3. Using metamagic spells doesn't increase the spell's level.4. If you use more than one metamagic feat on a single spell, it still counts as one use per metamagic feat applied.What &quot;X&quot; is determines how powerful you want to make it. I see two interesting possibilities: X equals current spell level adjustment +1; or X equals twice the current spell level adjustment, minus 1.X = spell level adjustment + 1:A Wizard could take Extend Spell for his 3rd level feat (not earlier). Its prereq reads &quot;must be able to cast 2nd level spells&quot;, so he qualifies. He can use one extended spell per day, without increasing its spell level. For his 5th level bonus feat, he could take Empower Spell. Its prereq reads &quot;must be able to cast 3rd level spells&quot;, so he qualifies. He can extend OR empower two spells per day, without increasing their spell level. At 6th level, he can take another metamagic feat which currently has a spell level adjustment of no greater than +2, e.g. Split Ray. He can metamagic up three spells per day without increasing their spell level, and choose from Extend, Empower, and Split Ray to do so. Maximize is available once he can cast 4th level spells, Quicken at 5th level spells, and Persistent at 7th level spells.X = 2 x spell level adjustment - 1:The Wizard can only take Extend, Still, Silent etc. until he reaches 3rd level spells. However, he can do so from the start (use his 1st level feat on metamagic). From then on, he can use Split Ray, Empower etc. When he gets 5th level spells, he can take Maximize or Widen. Quicken and Twin come online as soon as he can cast 7th level spells. Persistent is impossible here, unless you throw out the formula for the specific case.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 5475346, member: 78958"] The way I imagine it, you could do the following: 1. You can use your metamagic feats a total number of times per day equal to the total amount of metamagic feats you have. That means you have a pool of metamagic uses. 2. Each metamagic feat has a prerequisite that reads "must be able to cast X level spells". 3. Using metamagic spells doesn't increase the spell's level. 4. If you use more than one metamagic feat on a single spell, it still counts as one use per metamagic feat applied. What "X" is determines how powerful you want to make it. I see two interesting possibilities: X equals current spell level adjustment +1; or X equals twice the current spell level adjustment, minus 1. X = spell level adjustment + 1: A Wizard could take Extend Spell for his 3rd level feat (not earlier). Its prereq reads "must be able to cast 2nd level spells", so he qualifies. He can use one extended spell per day, without increasing its spell level. For his 5th level bonus feat, he could take Empower Spell. Its prereq reads "must be able to cast 3rd level spells", so he qualifies. He can extend OR empower two spells per day, without increasing their spell level. At 6th level, he can take another metamagic feat which currently has a spell level adjustment of no greater than +2, e.g. Split Ray. He can metamagic up three spells per day without increasing their spell level, and choose from Extend, Empower, and Split Ray to do so. Maximize is available once he can cast 4th level spells, Quicken at 5th level spells, and Persistent at 7th level spells. X = 2 x spell level adjustment - 1: The Wizard can only take Extend, Still, Silent etc. until he reaches 3rd level spells. However, he can do so from the start (use his 1st level feat on metamagic). From then on, he can use Split Ray, Empower etc. When he gets 5th level spells, he can take Maximize or Widen. Quicken and Twin come online as soon as he can cast 7th level spells. Persistent is impossible here, unless you throw out the formula for the specific case. [/QUOTE]

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