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<blockquote data-quote="Eldritch_Lord" data-source="post: 5477127" data-attributes="member: 52073">Hmm.&nbsp; Move-action metamagic spells could work as well, though I don't quite like the aesthetics, in that the only offensive/buff ability that uses move actions that I know of is the war weaver's Quiescent Weaving feature.&nbsp; I'd much prefer to sacrifice Quicken for balance and aesthetic reasons, but if you implement something like this in your games it's up to you what you do with it.I wasn't quite sure what, if anything, this system should do differently with spontaneous casters, so I didn't address it at all.&nbsp; Upon further thought, I see no reason why we couldn't keep metamagic feats as a mechanic--they just function like Extra Spell, giving you a single spell known per feat, while scrolls and other means of buying the metamagic feats would be more expensive than normal spells of their level--so spontaneous casters wouldn't have to spend spells known and prepared casters couldn't just learn every metamagic spell they wanted.&nbsp; To further differentiate the spontaneous casters from the prepared casters, how about one of these?
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<li data-xf-list-type="ul">At each odd caster level (when a prepared caster would get a new spell level) spontaneous casters learn one free metamagic spell of their choice that they could normally learn.&nbsp; This is a class feature not advanced by &quot;+1 spellcasting&quot; PrCs (giving sorcerers a reason not to PrC out at level 5).</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">When taking a metamagic feat, a spontaneous caster learns all versions of the metamagic feat at the appropriate levels (e.g. if a wizard takes Empower Spell, he learns empower I and would have to take it again for empower II, but a sorcerer taking Empower Spell would automatically learn empower II as soon as he gained access to 4th-level spells and empower III as soon as got 6th-level spells).</li>
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[QUOTE="Eldritch_Lord, post: 5477127, member: 52073"] Hmm. Move-action metamagic spells could work as well, though I don't quite like the aesthetics, in that the only offensive/buff ability that uses move actions that I know of is the war weaver's Quiescent Weaving feature. I'd much prefer to sacrifice Quicken for balance and aesthetic reasons, but if you implement something like this in your games it's up to you what you do with it. I wasn't quite sure what, if anything, this system should do differently with spontaneous casters, so I didn't address it at all. Upon further thought, I see no reason why we couldn't keep metamagic feats as a mechanic--they just function like Extra Spell, giving you a single spell known per feat, while scrolls and other means of buying the metamagic feats would be more expensive than normal spells of their level--so spontaneous casters wouldn't [I]have[/I] to spend spells known and prepared casters couldn't just learn every metamagic spell they wanted. To further differentiate the spontaneous casters from the prepared casters, how about one of these?[list][*]At each odd caster level (when a prepared caster would get a new spell level) spontaneous casters learn one free metamagic spell of their choice that they could normally learn. This is a class feature not advanced by "+1 spellcasting" PrCs (giving sorcerers a reason not to PrC out at level 5). [*]When taking a metamagic feat, a spontaneous caster learns all versions of the metamagic feat at the appropriate levels (e.g. if a wizard takes Empower Spell, he learns [I]empower I[/I] and would have to take it again for [I]empower II[/I], but a sorcerer taking Empower Spell would automatically learn [I]empower II[/I] as soon as he gained access to 4th-level spells and [I]empower III[/I] as soon as got 6th-level spells).[/list] [/QUOTE]

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