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<blockquote data-quote="Horwath" data-source="post: 9833768" data-attributes="member: 6801299"><p>so what?</p><p>burn your epic boon to deal reliable +20 damage couple of times per day at 20th level?</p><p>really not impressive.</p><p></p><p>no matter how you write it, it's one hit turned into crit.</p><p>it's weak as it gives nothing extra that could not happen on it's own.</p><p>that is why I do not hate Shield or Silvery barbs, they add nothing new, they just force an outcome that could have happen anyway without it.</p><p></p><p>and you need to look at at pure ranger class only, multiclass issues later....</p><p></p><p>1st level ranger.</p><p></p><p>you use heavy crossbow as it it strongest ranged option for levels 1-4. Longbow for levels 5+</p><p>you have your HM on target.</p><p>now you turn 1d10+1d6+3(12) into 2d10+2d6+3(20), net gain of 8 damage.</p><p>Is 8 damage worth your 1st level slot and Bonus action? It's not,</p><p>That is why I see paladins today waiting for a crit to use Smite(they did it before also) as Bonus action is a valuable resource now(potions).</p><p></p><p></p><p>now, to be fair, like many other spells, this can be exploited with feat/species/subclass choices.</p><p>and if you can combine 2014/24 rules, it can be fun.</p><p></p><p>Background: knight of Solamnia </p><p>gain feat: Squire of Solamnia</p><p><strong>Precise Strike.</strong> Once per turn, when you make a weapon attack roll against a creature, you can cause the attack roll to have advantage. If the attack hits, you roll a d8 and add the number rolled as a bonus to the attack's damage roll. You can use this benefit a number of times equal to your proficiency bonus, but a use is expended only if the attack hits. You regain all expended uses when you finish a long rest.</p><p></p><p>Species: Goliath</p><p><strong>Fire's Burn (Fire Giant).</strong> When you hit a target with an attack roll and deal damage to it, you can also deal 1d10 Fire damage to that target.</p><p></p><p>now the spell turns:</p><p>1d10+3+1d6+1d10+1d8(22) into 2d10+3+2d6+2d10+2d8(41), net gain of: 19 damage.</p><p>is 19 damage worth 1st level slot and Bonus action. Yes, yes it is!</p><p>is it game breaking? No. as Paladin can wait for smite on attack crit and gain +18 damage on it. almost the same.</p><p>is this spell A or even S tier if you cheese the hell out of it? yes.</p><p></p><p>is it broken?</p><p>no, as anyone can take that combo without the spell and hope to be in that 9,75% that will roll 20 with advantage and score that massive 1st level crit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Horwath, post: 9833768, member: 6801299"] so what? burn your epic boon to deal reliable +20 damage couple of times per day at 20th level? really not impressive. no matter how you write it, it's one hit turned into crit. it's weak as it gives nothing extra that could not happen on it's own. that is why I do not hate Shield or Silvery barbs, they add nothing new, they just force an outcome that could have happen anyway without it. and you need to look at at pure ranger class only, multiclass issues later.... 1st level ranger. you use heavy crossbow as it it strongest ranged option for levels 1-4. Longbow for levels 5+ you have your HM on target. now you turn 1d10+1d6+3(12) into 2d10+2d6+3(20), net gain of 8 damage. Is 8 damage worth your 1st level slot and Bonus action? It's not, That is why I see paladins today waiting for a crit to use Smite(they did it before also) as Bonus action is a valuable resource now(potions). now, to be fair, like many other spells, this can be exploited with feat/species/subclass choices. and if you can combine 2014/24 rules, it can be fun. Background: knight of Solamnia gain feat: Squire of Solamnia [B]Precise Strike.[/B] Once per turn, when you make a weapon attack roll against a creature, you can cause the attack roll to have advantage. If the attack hits, you roll a d8 and add the number rolled as a bonus to the attack's damage roll. You can use this benefit a number of times equal to your proficiency bonus, but a use is expended only if the attack hits. You regain all expended uses when you finish a long rest. Species: Goliath [B]Fire's Burn (Fire Giant).[/B] When you hit a target with an attack roll and deal damage to it, you can also deal 1d10 Fire damage to that target. now the spell turns: 1d10+3+1d6+1d10+1d8(22) into 2d10+3+2d6+2d10+2d8(41), net gain of: 19 damage. is 19 damage worth 1st level slot and Bonus action. Yes, yes it is! is it game breaking? No. as Paladin can wait for smite on attack crit and gain +18 damage on it. almost the same. is this spell A or even S tier if you cheese the hell out of it? yes. is it broken? no, as anyone can take that combo without the spell and hope to be in that 9,75% that will roll 20 with advantage and score that massive 1st level crit. [/QUOTE]
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