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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7521037" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>Because the assumption is the fighter with the 16 DEX and using a finesse weapon is probably dual-wielding said finesse weapon with another weapon, thus getting two attacks during the round rather than the wizard's one. And because the fighter can then take the Two-Weapon Fighting Style, he adds his DEX to the damage to the second weapon attack as well. So the wizard wielding a dagger (the best finesse weapon he has proficiency in) attacks with a +5 bonus to do 1d4+3 damage (avg 6 points). The fighter attacks twice with two shortswords at a +5 doing 1d6+3 and 1d6+3 (avg 14 points). On top of that, the fighter wears studded leather armor for an AC of 15, while the wizard wears nothing for an AC of 13 (unless he chooses to use one of his two spell slots for the day to cast Mage Armor). With the much higher hit points the fighter has (10 + CON mod, probably 12 or 13 HP) versus the wizard's HP (6 + CON mod, probably 6 or 7 HP), the fighter will take at least one more hit than the wizard will. And then of course after the battle the fighter will use his Second Wind to regain most of the HP he lost, while the wizard remains hurt. And then when 2nd level comes around, the combat is the same except the fighter uses his Action Surge to take a second action in the first round of combat, possibly doing 4 attacks in the full round and doing an average of 28 HP of damage versus the wizard's 6 with his dagger.</p><p></p><p>Yes, if all you are worrying about is the "attack bonus" to determine whether the fighter is good or not, you're right in thinking that its the same as a wizard doing it. But no class is just their "attack bonus"... its eveything together combined which determines why someone is a fighter versus someone who is a wizard. And no wizard in their right INT 16 mind is going to go up and attack creatures with its dagger and receive a whole mess of melee attacks in return, 16 DEX or no. Because they know better than to do that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7521037, member: 7006"] Because the assumption is the fighter with the 16 DEX and using a finesse weapon is probably dual-wielding said finesse weapon with another weapon, thus getting two attacks during the round rather than the wizard's one. And because the fighter can then take the Two-Weapon Fighting Style, he adds his DEX to the damage to the second weapon attack as well. So the wizard wielding a dagger (the best finesse weapon he has proficiency in) attacks with a +5 bonus to do 1d4+3 damage (avg 6 points). The fighter attacks twice with two shortswords at a +5 doing 1d6+3 and 1d6+3 (avg 14 points). On top of that, the fighter wears studded leather armor for an AC of 15, while the wizard wears nothing for an AC of 13 (unless he chooses to use one of his two spell slots for the day to cast Mage Armor). With the much higher hit points the fighter has (10 + CON mod, probably 12 or 13 HP) versus the wizard's HP (6 + CON mod, probably 6 or 7 HP), the fighter will take at least one more hit than the wizard will. And then of course after the battle the fighter will use his Second Wind to regain most of the HP he lost, while the wizard remains hurt. And then when 2nd level comes around, the combat is the same except the fighter uses his Action Surge to take a second action in the first round of combat, possibly doing 4 attacks in the full round and doing an average of 28 HP of damage versus the wizard's 6 with his dagger. Yes, if all you are worrying about is the "attack bonus" to determine whether the fighter is good or not, you're right in thinking that its the same as a wizard doing it. But no class is just their "attack bonus"... its eveything together combined which determines why someone is a fighter versus someone who is a wizard. And no wizard in their right INT 16 mind is going to go up and attack creatures with its dagger and receive a whole mess of melee attacks in return, 16 DEX or no. Because they know better than to do that. [/QUOTE]
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