Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Branimir's Open Letter to Games Workshop
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="MGibster" data-source="post: 8029914" data-attributes="member: 4534"><p>For those of you unfamiliar with Warhammer beyond what you likely see at your local game store, I think we need to put GW's statement in context. Historically speaking, Warhammer was a game developed in Great Britain with their target demographic of adolescent middle class whites. And you can really see that reflected in old photos where just about every painted miniature is a white male. </p><p></p><p>Over the last few years, GW has sought to expand their market by, among other things, increasing the diversity of the characters in their fiction and games. They introduced a series of books for younger readers called Warhammer Adventures, they released new plastic sculpts for Sisters of Battle (largely female force), and more recently a new book titled features a black Ultramarine on the cover. </p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]123450[/ATTACH]</p><p>In case you're unfamiliar, the Ultramarines are the poster children for the entire game. </p><p></p><p>Here are what some very prominent Youtubers have been saying about this over the last few years. I won't name them specifically because I don't want to give them any traffic. I stumbled across them because they have many videos where they go over the lore, miniatures, game strategy, etc., etc. so you can watch several of their videos before they show their ugly side.</p><p></p><p>Warhammer Adventures: There were some legitimate complaints of the series, namely that perhaps the Warhammer 40k setting wasn't really appropriate for children, but they moved on to criticize the characters in the book partially based on what they looked like. There are three adolescents on the cover of <em>Attack of the Necrons</em>, audio version read by David Tennant, one of which is your standard issue white male, a black female (I think, I honestly have trouble telling with some art), and a white male with a malformed arm who created his own cybernetic brace so he could still use it. There were several snide comments made about forced diversity at Games Workshop, how of course the leader had to be a woman of color because white men are evil, etc., etc. It was just ugly. </p><p></p><p>For the Sisters of Battle release, if you go to the GW website, you will see that they made a concerted effort to paint some of their models with skin tones that weren't just just a bunch of pale people from Northumberland. Some of these Youtubers mocked the inclusion of people of color because, "hur, hur, diversity bad,"and complained that the models weren't sexy enough. </p><p></p><p>There's a new fiction release called <em>Avenging Son</em> which has on it's cover a black Ultramarine, a bunch of other Ultramarines, and a regular human woman (I don't know who any of them are). There are actual videos from these people seriously debating whether or not black Ultramarines is canon. I mean, sure, they both come to the conclusion of yes. Though one of them says it doesn't make sense for them to have African features, but I guess a yes is progress. </p><p></p><p>But why the hell is that even up for debate? If I were a black adolescent looking at getting into Warhammer and watching videos on Youtube on how to model, select my army, how to play, learn about the lore, etc., etc., how would I feel about people, prominent people in the Youtube Warhammer video sphere, debating whether or not someone who looks like me should even be represented in the game? </p><p></p><p>People like that make the hobby look bad, and, by extension, they make Games Workshop look bad. In addition to Black Lives Matter and everything else going on right now, this is the context in which GW released that statement. I actually wished GW had ended their message with "You will be missed" rather than "You will not be missed." </p><p></p><p>And here's the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YgVb4a0bUw&t=1s" target="_blank">Bob Ross</a> of miniature painting talking about how important it is to say that Warhammer is for everyone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MGibster, post: 8029914, member: 4534"] For those of you unfamiliar with Warhammer beyond what you likely see at your local game store, I think we need to put GW's statement in context. Historically speaking, Warhammer was a game developed in Great Britain with their target demographic of adolescent middle class whites. And you can really see that reflected in old photos where just about every painted miniature is a white male. Over the last few years, GW has sought to expand their market by, among other things, increasing the diversity of the characters in their fiction and games. They introduced a series of books for younger readers called Warhammer Adventures, they released new plastic sculpts for Sisters of Battle (largely female force), and more recently a new book titled features a black Ultramarine on the cover. [ATTACH type="full" width="72px"]123450[/ATTACH] In case you're unfamiliar, the Ultramarines are the poster children for the entire game. Here are what some very prominent Youtubers have been saying about this over the last few years. I won't name them specifically because I don't want to give them any traffic. I stumbled across them because they have many videos where they go over the lore, miniatures, game strategy, etc., etc. so you can watch several of their videos before they show their ugly side. Warhammer Adventures: There were some legitimate complaints of the series, namely that perhaps the Warhammer 40k setting wasn't really appropriate for children, but they moved on to criticize the characters in the book partially based on what they looked like. There are three adolescents on the cover of [I]Attack of the Necrons[/I], audio version read by David Tennant, one of which is your standard issue white male, a black female (I think, I honestly have trouble telling with some art), and a white male with a malformed arm who created his own cybernetic brace so he could still use it. There were several snide comments made about forced diversity at Games Workshop, how of course the leader had to be a woman of color because white men are evil, etc., etc. It was just ugly. For the Sisters of Battle release, if you go to the GW website, you will see that they made a concerted effort to paint some of their models with skin tones that weren't just just a bunch of pale people from Northumberland. Some of these Youtubers mocked the inclusion of people of color because, "hur, hur, diversity bad,"and complained that the models weren't sexy enough. There's a new fiction release called [I]Avenging Son[/I] which has on it's cover a black Ultramarine, a bunch of other Ultramarines, and a regular human woman (I don't know who any of them are). There are actual videos from these people seriously debating whether or not black Ultramarines is canon. I mean, sure, they both come to the conclusion of yes. Though one of them says it doesn't make sense for them to have African features, but I guess a yes is progress. But why the hell is that even up for debate? If I were a black adolescent looking at getting into Warhammer and watching videos on Youtube on how to model, select my army, how to play, learn about the lore, etc., etc., how would I feel about people, prominent people in the Youtube Warhammer video sphere, debating whether or not someone who looks like me should even be represented in the game? People like that make the hobby look bad, and, by extension, they make Games Workshop look bad. In addition to Black Lives Matter and everything else going on right now, this is the context in which GW released that statement. I actually wished GW had ended their message with "You will be missed" rather than "You will not be missed." And here's the [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YgVb4a0bUw&t=1s']Bob Ross[/URL] of miniature painting talking about how important it is to say that Warhammer is for everyone. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Branimir's Open Letter to Games Workshop
Top