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<blockquote data-quote="MGibster" data-source="post: 8030084" data-attributes="member: 4534"><p>I do think the root of their fear is that the game is changing into something different from what it was when they were younger. I do have some sympathy with that position, when I go back and watch the original Star Wars trilogy I was want to be my seven year old self enjoying it for what it is. I don't want to think about it critically. But Warhammer as we know it has changed quite a bit since it's inception in 1987's <em>Rogue Trader</em>. It wasn't the same by the time Warhammer 2nd edition came out in 1993, it wasn't the same when third edition came out in 1998, etc., etc. It's in a constant state of flux.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're absolutely right both about the lore changing and how silly it is to be concerned about the inclusion of a black Ultramarine. But I think the concern many of them have is that the game is becoming less "grim dark" in en effort to be more appealing young people and to avoid offending parents. And I think they're partially correct on this account. </p><p></p><p>As an example, let's take a look at Daemonette of Slaanesh models over the years. </p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">1989: Mutant looking women with crab claws and one exposed breast.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">1994(or 5): Mutant looking humanoids with clothes, crab claws, and not an ounce of femininity.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2000: Sleek feminine looking demons many of whom have exposed breats. Some of them have three sets of breasts. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">2008: Sleek feminine looking demons with one breast (covered) and a somewhat non-binary look. Are they male, female, or both? </li> </ol><p>My favorite models are from 2000 because I think they look great. They're often called the Juan Diaz daemonnettes and you can google it if you want to see them. But I'm a guy who thinks context is important, and while I wouldn't have a problem painting or using those models in a game at home I could not use them in a public space where I knew young people could be around. Can you imagine a kid taking their mother to the game store to buy some Warhammer products and she sees some adults playing the game with an army that included six boobed warrior women? Games Workshop doesn't want that. If I owned a game shop I wouldn't want that. But despite those changes, it's not like the game isn't still grim dark in it's setting. We just have fewer demon boobs on the table. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For some of them I think it's just a reminder that the game is changing and it's not the same as it was when they were younger. They could certainly pick a better way to express their dislike for some of the changes. For others, yeah, they appear fairly racist to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MGibster, post: 8030084, member: 4534"] I do think the root of their fear is that the game is changing into something different from what it was when they were younger. I do have some sympathy with that position, when I go back and watch the original Star Wars trilogy I was want to be my seven year old self enjoying it for what it is. I don't want to think about it critically. But Warhammer as we know it has changed quite a bit since it's inception in 1987's [I]Rogue Trader[/I]. It wasn't the same by the time Warhammer 2nd edition came out in 1993, it wasn't the same when third edition came out in 1998, etc., etc. It's in a constant state of flux. You're absolutely right both about the lore changing and how silly it is to be concerned about the inclusion of a black Ultramarine. But I think the concern many of them have is that the game is becoming less "grim dark" in en effort to be more appealing young people and to avoid offending parents. And I think they're partially correct on this account. As an example, let's take a look at Daemonette of Slaanesh models over the years. [LIST=1] [*]1989: Mutant looking women with crab claws and one exposed breast. [*]1994(or 5): Mutant looking humanoids with clothes, crab claws, and not an ounce of femininity. [*]2000: Sleek feminine looking demons many of whom have exposed breats. Some of them have three sets of breasts. [*]2008: Sleek feminine looking demons with one breast (covered) and a somewhat non-binary look. Are they male, female, or both? [/LIST] My favorite models are from 2000 because I think they look great. They're often called the Juan Diaz daemonnettes and you can google it if you want to see them. But I'm a guy who thinks context is important, and while I wouldn't have a problem painting or using those models in a game at home I could not use them in a public space where I knew young people could be around. Can you imagine a kid taking their mother to the game store to buy some Warhammer products and she sees some adults playing the game with an army that included six boobed warrior women? Games Workshop doesn't want that. If I owned a game shop I wouldn't want that. But despite those changes, it's not like the game isn't still grim dark in it's setting. We just have fewer demon boobs on the table. For some of them I think it's just a reminder that the game is changing and it's not the same as it was when they were younger. They could certainly pick a better way to express their dislike for some of the changes. For others, yeah, they appear fairly racist to me. [/QUOTE]
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