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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Adlon" data-source="post: 306527" data-attributes="member: 1972">My 2 coppers...I remember when the nominees were announced, and the voting began.I went to the page to vote. I saw the 5 entries in each category.To be frank, I did NOT have exposure to every product in every category. In a few cases, I was forced to make a decision, where my ignorance to some products possibly affected the outcome of the voting.One person?Yes.But, I feel that I am not alone in this. In fact, I KNOW that I'm not alone, having talked to a great many people at GenCon.Lets assume (not big on that word, but, lets run with it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> that the ENnies stay EXACTLY the same next year, including the way the products were nominated, voted on, etc.IF this would be the case, then, IMO, the voting system is flawed.I refer you all to a common topic on this and other forums: Homebrew vs. Core Rules. The Core Rules die hards will usually adhere and vote for the Core Rule provider, by and large.In my opinion, the voting process should be grealy expanded, which means a more complicated system, unfortunately.But, when I voted, I merely clicked on Radio buttons, and hit submit. It was over in about 20 seconds.No OPT OUT feature was available. Also, there was NO verification that I have at least read some of the products listed.In my case, I owned about 80% of the products that were nominated, and at least two in each category, more in others, and all in some.That meant I could make a reasonable determination on at least 2 of the products in each category. And being ignorant about the other three. Thus, possibly slighting the three other products I did not have access to, one of which MAY have truly been the superior product. BUT, I voted for what I WAS exposed to.Now, with the large amount of people who are core rules die hards (nothing wrong with that, IMO), wouldn't it be the Core Rule Provider that they would vote for on a majority basis?Also, what of the large number of people who only have say 10-20% of the nominated products? Would voting for WotC product be the 'safe bet'? I think yes, to varying degrees.I talked to several publishers about WotC being in the main stream of the nominations and voting. Most said that they welcome butting heads with WotC. To most, being nominated was a big event when going up against the D&D giant.So, to take them out altogether would do the ENnies ill, IMO.I'd need some time to think about alternate categories, before I just wing it, and post here. But I think some additional criteria and categories is the way to go.And the voting system, the KEY to who wins, needs to be expanded.Essentially, those who tally the votes would have nightmares. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />An OPT Out option, and possibly a type of 'I have not been exposed to all products in this category' would be viable items.There I go, winging it. Possibly, an short product exposure verification...???Back at my main point. New categories, and criteria aside, the voting system this year was shorthanded, IMO.Again, just my 2 copper (copper's not worth much, is it ..? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Bottom line, most of the winners did in fact deserve to win. SO many excellent products. I can see where there were some tight races.We can all say that there were some that won that shouldn't have. I have my picks for that subject, but to go into them is pointless.On another note, what INDEED does being nominated, and/or winning an ENnie do for the publisher? I saw some good points on this in this thread.When I go to the game store, and interact with the 'local' gamers, who are or will be buying product, at least in MY area, I see no interest in WHO was nominated, and or won an ENnie. I find that people buy Core, and their favored publishers most of the time. And lastly, taking a chance on what 'looks good', or a referral from another gamer.Education on what the ENnies are, to the local level, would be paramount to getting nominees, and winners the recognition they truly deserve. The gaming community here, on these forums, is tiny compared to the massive amount of gamers who are not even online.This popularization would be a monumental effort, but not unobtainable.I have several 'this just in ideas' on getting the word out to the mom & pop gameshops and book stores, but, I'll reserve those for when I can actually put time into thought.But, IF the ENnies and what they're about were mainstream knowledge to the masses, rather than the 6000 or so members here, and the plethora but still minority groups elsewhere, then the being nominated and/or winning would carry all that much more weight. Till then, the gold ENnie graphic on the cover of a product will carry alot less weight. Most have NO clue what they are, and what goes into the selection process, and wht it all means.WE do, but, thats us, the online community. WotC should, IMO, get more involved in the ENnies. They have a humongous website, with forums that mostly work <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> (Eric earned the ire of the WotC web team at the ceremony, btw <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Anyways, by having more of THEIR community supporters involved, would expand the knowledge of wha the ENnies are, and what they stand for.As well, the d20 publishers can for the most part, easily help to educate what the ENnies are. Again, several 'this just in' ideas, needing time to gel in my brain.But, once more of the masses KNOW about the ENnies, and what they mean, that would make the being nominated and/or winning all the more important, and satisfying.Heck, even at GenCon, I talked to many 3E players, and when I asked them if they'd attend the ENnies, well, I got alot of 'the what?' 'What are the ENnies?' And 'Oh, I'm dont go online.' and similar statements.Popularizing the ENnies, and the voting system, and possibly some re-categorizing.And yes, more chairs <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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