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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Radiating Gnome" data-source="post: 5118721" data-attributes="member: 150">Another point. cribbed from my email conversation with Chzbro, who is my DM:"Your "poor man's daze" comparison is really overstating the case.  The grab does not remove a move action, only limits the options that the creature has for that move action.  The creature still has the action, and can use it for a variety of other things.  I also have to hit with my attack every round to sustain it (every power that grants the grab states that the grab ends at the end of my next turn, so they can't be sustained indefinitely).Also, don't lose sight of the idea that what the brawler is doing is totally available to any other character.  ANY character can grab a target and limit it's ability to move.  The brawler is better at it, because of the build's investment in being good at it, but that doesn't mean that the gnome rogue in the party can't grab a target with HIS free hand and prevent it from moving away. Compare this to Combat Superiority.  Now, it's entirely possible that you could have a brawler style fighter with combat superiority rather than combat agility, but even so -- is a grab that prevents a single target from using a move action to move away really so much more powerful than a class feature that allows the fighter to attack ANY target that moves away from him, do damage AND stop that movement.  In that case the fighter DOES negate some or all of the move action (because the target can't choose to do something else with it, he's used it) and gets to do damage. Also, the grab attacks are limited by situation and target.  Combat Superiority and other fighter builds work against all sorts of targets -- an Ooze or a swarm, for example.  Now, there's no RAW that prevents a brawler from grabbing an ooze or a swarm, but I don't think any DM would allow it.  But there's no question that combat superiority would work against it.  Is it really that much more powerful?"-rg</blockquote>

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