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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6757213" data-attributes="member: 6790260">As is so often said in conversations like these, there's zip-diddly-squat preventing you from ding that on any character. I would even argue that doing so, playing "all the parts" of a char written or unwritten, is a necessary part of "roleplaying," at least in combat. Since it IS a given, guaranteed, universal element, it does not apply to the problem in the first place. We are already assuming that this occurs; beyond this inherent element, which is present regardless of the design or even presence of a (sub)class, what does the (sub)class offer?I mean, it seems an awful lot like saying, "If the only part of your dining experience is the food on your plate or the liquid in your glass, I feel sorry for you." We are assuming that pleasant conversation, salt and pepper, appropriate sauces (e.g. soy sauce in Asian restaurants), potentially enjoyable background music, colorful and tasteful decor, etc. are there because you choose to eat at this particular restaurant. The dish served being overcooked and tasteless is still a perfectly valid, even damning criticism, even if all other parts of the dining experience were flawless.</blockquote>