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Breaking out of the "paladin trap."
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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7810074" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>"Isn't that an inherently lawful evil perspective? "</p><p></p><p>I gave up on alignment debates f thst nature decades ago, so my answer has to be " It depends. Maybe, in some settings it might be but in other settings it wouldn't be. At some tsbles, maybe that one act would define a character's alignment, but at other tables it might only be considered one act among many and be fine. </p><p></p><p>I mean, if overlord Tyrannicus Meanie crushes your town, kills everyone you knew and leaves you for dead and you cut a deal with burning shrubbery to survive and get power and then spend years thwarting TM conqypuests, freeing his slaves, stopping and killing his death squads, killing his summoned fiends and helping folks survive and resist his oppression - some tables might treat or judge that character as chaotic good or neutral goid- based on the overall mass of choices made, not just lawful evil. </p><p></p><p>So we come back to... "it depends". </p><p></p><p>But... the question was not about alignment or even specifically paladins who have had a "one act whammy" rule in some editions, the early ones. </p><p></p><p>" My question to the boards: What are some paladin/cleric/oracle character arcs you've seen that go beyond "I'm a servant of [insert entity here]?""</p><p></p><p>So, really I did not give the alignment a moments thought whrn recounting what I had seen.</p><p></p><p>You do seem to have a much much more limited scope of paladin concepts in play than I do - even when we just look at paladin - based on your descriptions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7810074, member: 6919838"] "Isn't that an inherently lawful evil perspective? " I gave up on alignment debates f thst nature decades ago, so my answer has to be " It depends. Maybe, in some settings it might be but in other settings it wouldn't be. At some tsbles, maybe that one act would define a character's alignment, but at other tables it might only be considered one act among many and be fine. I mean, if overlord Tyrannicus Meanie crushes your town, kills everyone you knew and leaves you for dead and you cut a deal with burning shrubbery to survive and get power and then spend years thwarting TM conqypuests, freeing his slaves, stopping and killing his death squads, killing his summoned fiends and helping folks survive and resist his oppression - some tables might treat or judge that character as chaotic good or neutral goid- based on the overall mass of choices made, not just lawful evil. So we come back to... "it depends". But... the question was not about alignment or even specifically paladins who have had a "one act whammy" rule in some editions, the early ones. " My question to the boards: What are some paladin/cleric/oracle character arcs you've seen that go beyond "I'm a servant of [insert entity here]?"" So, really I did not give the alignment a moments thought whrn recounting what I had seen. You do seem to have a much much more limited scope of paladin concepts in play than I do - even when we just look at paladin - based on your descriptions. [/QUOTE]
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