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<blockquote data-quote="jester47" data-source="post: 1704818" data-attributes="member: 2238">Sorry P-Man, gotta shut you daown there.&nbsp; The only member of the round table that was what we today would call a hero was Percival.&nbsp; In mallory's version Arthur was proud and put himself before god.&nbsp; He broke broke the sword of the lake, and lost excalibur (there were two swords in Mallory).&nbsp; Lancelot was an Adulterer.&nbsp; Gawain was a victim of self doubt and abandoned the grailquest.&nbsp; In almost all stories each knight of the round table has a major moral character flaw, except Percival.&nbsp; King Arthur and his kngihts were a bunch of rat bastards, trying to defend and create a place that was not full of rat bastards like themselves. Lets take a look at some saints:St. Francis of Assisi was a pleasure seeking fighting man.St. Augustine is known for his vices. St. Christopher was a coward.Most of the saints, when we know about thier lives have moral flaws.&nbsp; What makes them a saint is that eventually they overcame these flaws at the call of thier god.&nbsp; They are sanctus meaning holy, not ex-pyrosis meaning from the fire.&nbsp; Holy hardly means flawless.&nbsp; Saints are reformed.&nbsp; They are role models, and in todays definition of hero, they are heroes.&nbsp; But that is my point, originally the concept of hero and saint were almost opposites.&nbsp; Today we have made the word angel, saint and hero almost synonymous.&nbsp; Thus necesitating the concept of &quot;Anti-hero&quot; to encompas what hero originally meant.&nbsp; Aaron.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jester47, post: 1704818, member: 2238"] Sorry P-Man, gotta shut you daown there. The only member of the round table that was what we today would call a hero was Percival. In mallory's version Arthur was proud and put himself before god. He broke broke the sword of the lake, and lost excalibur (there were two swords in Mallory). Lancelot was an Adulterer. Gawain was a victim of self doubt and abandoned the grailquest. In almost all stories each knight of the round table has a major moral character flaw, except Percival. King Arthur and his kngihts were a bunch of rat bastards, trying to defend and create a place that was not full of rat bastards like themselves. Lets take a look at some saints: St. Francis of Assisi was a pleasure seeking fighting man. St. Augustine is known for his vices. St. Christopher was a coward. Most of the saints, when we know about thier lives have moral flaws. What makes them a saint is that eventually they overcame these flaws at the call of thier god. They are [i]sanctus[/i] meaning holy, not [i]ex-pyrosis[/i] meaning from the fire. Holy hardly means flawless. Saints are reformed. They are role models, and in todays definition of hero, they are heroes. But that is my point, originally the concept of hero and saint were almost opposites. Today we have made the word angel, saint and hero almost synonymous. Thus necesitating the concept of "Anti-hero" to encompas what hero originally meant. Aaron. [/QUOTE]

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