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<blockquote data-quote="Ancoulainn" data-source="post: 9867597" data-attributes="member: 7056539"><p>I don't see how it can be ambiguous or hardass when it's spelled out in the PHB. The PHB tells you that you can only use an spellcasting focus when you have a feature that allows its use. And the feature Eldritch Knights have says that it works for Wizard spells. Shillelagh is not a Wizard spell. It couldn't be clearer.</p><p></p><p>But yes, they are not always entirely clear or good with English. For example, the Great Weapon Fighting Style says "When you roll damage for an attack you make with a Melee weapon that you are holding with two hands, you can treat any 1 or 2 on a damage die as a 3." and Divine Smite says "The target takes an extra 2d8 Radiant damage from the attack.", but SAC says "For example, if you have this feat and make an attack roll with a Greatsword, you can treat any 1 or 2 you roll on the weapon’s 2d6 as a 3. If you cast Divine Smite after hitting with this attack, you can’t treat a 1 or 2 rolled for the spell’s damage as a 3." If that's what they wanted to say, it would have been easy to say "When you roll the weapon's damage for an attack...".</p><p></p><p>But regardless, I think that the situation with the spellcasting focus is more than just bad use of English and I think enforcing the basic rules of spell components is like limiting Berserker Barbarians' Frenzy to once per turn or Great Weapon Master to the attacks made during the Attack Action. </p><p></p><p>But whether it is rarely enforced or not is not really an argument by itself. Even if it were, is it rarely enforced because DMs don't care about spell components or is it rarely enforced because DMs get tired of players not knowing how to play their build and rather let it go than police or argue with them every 2 seconds because the sessions devolved to the equivalent of pee wee soccer? How many players know that casting Polymorph on a raging Barbarian ends their rage because they lose access to their class features? How many players constantly forget that attacks on prone targets from more than 5 feet away have disadvantage, even if it's a melee attack made with a reach weapon or by a Bugbear or Elemental Monk? And then you want to ask your Eldritch Knight on top of that to consider how spellcasting foci work? </p><p></p><p>Either way, you don't have to if you don't want to. But that would beg the question why people are discussing builds at all if they just decide to ignore rules they don't like and then try to sneak them past the DM. Just say that Hunter's Mark does 10d6 Radiant Sneak Attack damage on every attack and be done with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ancoulainn, post: 9867597, member: 7056539"] I don't see how it can be ambiguous or hardass when it's spelled out in the PHB. The PHB tells you that you can only use an spellcasting focus when you have a feature that allows its use. And the feature Eldritch Knights have says that it works for Wizard spells. Shillelagh is not a Wizard spell. It couldn't be clearer. But yes, they are not always entirely clear or good with English. For example, the Great Weapon Fighting Style says "When you roll damage for an attack you make with a Melee weapon that you are holding with two hands, you can treat any 1 or 2 on a damage die as a 3." and Divine Smite says "The target takes an extra 2d8 Radiant damage from the attack.", but SAC says "For example, if you have this feat and make an attack roll with a Greatsword, you can treat any 1 or 2 you roll on the weapon’s 2d6 as a 3. If you cast Divine Smite after hitting with this attack, you can’t treat a 1 or 2 rolled for the spell’s damage as a 3." If that's what they wanted to say, it would have been easy to say "When you roll the weapon's damage for an attack...". But regardless, I think that the situation with the spellcasting focus is more than just bad use of English and I think enforcing the basic rules of spell components is like limiting Berserker Barbarians' Frenzy to once per turn or Great Weapon Master to the attacks made during the Attack Action. But whether it is rarely enforced or not is not really an argument by itself. Even if it were, is it rarely enforced because DMs don't care about spell components or is it rarely enforced because DMs get tired of players not knowing how to play their build and rather let it go than police or argue with them every 2 seconds because the sessions devolved to the equivalent of pee wee soccer? How many players know that casting Polymorph on a raging Barbarian ends their rage because they lose access to their class features? How many players constantly forget that attacks on prone targets from more than 5 feet away have disadvantage, even if it's a melee attack made with a reach weapon or by a Bugbear or Elemental Monk? And then you want to ask your Eldritch Knight on top of that to consider how spellcasting foci work? Either way, you don't have to if you don't want to. But that would beg the question why people are discussing builds at all if they just decide to ignore rules they don't like and then try to sneak them past the DM. Just say that Hunter's Mark does 10d6 Radiant Sneak Attack damage on every attack and be done with it. [/QUOTE]
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