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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Turjan" data-source="post: 1889468" data-attributes="member: 3477">I'd suggest to have a look at <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108654" target="_blank">this recent thread</a> listing a boatload of non-d20 games that people on this board really like (everybody was only allowed to mention one game; lots are only mentioned in the text). It would be good to divorce yourself from the notion that people play D&D because they don't know anything else, which is so popular on rpg.net. Most people here play a d20 game because they think it does its job very well. This does not mean it's the one and only RPG for us <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.Why? I still don't see your point. "Let's Pretend" is a very good example of a basic RPG. People meet to play a game. They negotiate and agree on a genre/subject, let's say "Western"/"Cowboys and Indians". Then everybody has to pick a role. "Cowboys and Indians" is a bit more complicated, because it requires more negotiations as to divide people into at least two groups, unlike most other RPGs. Now we have covered the simulationist aspect of the thing. Of course, we need a story. This differs from re-playing some TV sequel (similar to a printed adventure) to mostly freeform. If the group can agree on a sort of "GM" (or whatever you want to call him), we have even covered this part of most RPGs. The actual play then may suffer from the lack of defined gamist elements in this example. If the participating people enjoy the narrative part much more than the gamist, they will fare well with this concept. If, on the other hands, they like the element of chance or have the urge to "win", we need rules for the game to succeed. This will avoid the "You're dead!" "I'm not!" trap.Well, this example for "Let's pretend" may indeed show that it is not the most simple form of an RPG, because it has a few elements that are rather complicated; but there are other examples, like the "Star Trek" stuff we played as children, which may come even closer to the basics. Anyway, I think the "Let's pretend" is a very good example for an RPG with a very limited set of rules and, as such, comes close to the answer to your question for the basics.Interestingly, you somehow dodged the very same question posed to you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />. If you'd be willing to share the goal of your original question, you might get some better answers.Sorry, I'm not a member of the illustrious circle that has access to this function <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.</blockquote>

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