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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herschel" data-source="post: 5778689" data-attributes="member: 78357">You hit it right there. Personal expectations are where it al breaks down. Your expectations and biases are the issue, not the game's. Others don't have an issue with it yet you do.  WotC wants to produce the best game they can for the most people they can and in 4E they created a really great game. However, numerous peoples' biases kept them from understanding or enjoying the game that was created. Numerous other people saw it for the great game it was and embraced it.  People who expected basically a cleaned-up re-hash of 3.5E didn't get what they anticipated. Some people got over it, some didn't, hence the "edition wars". There's also a group that didn't want to move on to any game regardless and never said a word while keeping to the game they were playing.  This happened in OD&D, 1E, 2E and 3E previously. That doesn't mean any game that came before it or will come after it is badwrongfun. It also means you're not forced to play anything you don't want to. The old game is still around, new games will come and there's scads of others on the market. But trying to blame a fantasy game for a "lack of realism" is really a lame excuse. The reason for liking or not liking a game is a person's bias, period.</blockquote>