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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 942970" data-attributes="member: 2358"><p>My statement was not made out of arrogance, it was made out of experience. You're the one being arrogant, assuming most likely that because I play D&D I must have no real knowledge of anything. You need to come to the real world, man.</p><p></p><p>What YOU try to pass off as weapon speed is actually a strength issue, not a weapon speed issue. When a person trains in a weapon, he or she usually trains in a weapon that he or she will be able to handle properly. As such, you will not see some cheerleader trying to wield a greatsword, but rather a foil or sabre or the like. On the other end, a guy like Bill Goldberg could easily pick the greatsword and probably swing it around with one arm. But a longsword to the cheerleader probably feels like a kitchen knife to Bill Goldberg. See the point?</p><p></p><p>That is how a weapon is chosen AND is also one of the reasons why the katana is the most popular melee weapon in the world. Versatility. Few people have the STRENGTH to wield the greatsword properly. Again, that is not a weapon speed issue. In D&D, this issue would be resolved with a condition that you need at least X Strength to wield the greatsword without penalty. Ya' know, much like the Exotic Weapon Proficiencies for bastard sword and dwarven waraxe. I would say 15 would be the target number for the greatsword, maybe 17.</p><p></p><p>Weapon speed as a game mechanic, however, is something that happened REGARDLESS of weapon mastery, which is how it is so easily identifiable as an unrealistic and problematic mechanic. I guarantee a master greatsword wielder will be just as "fast" as a master dagger wielder. Then again, it's also not just about speed, but rather technique. The greatsword wielder can strike as fast as the dagger wielder, but he does it differently to compensate for weapon weight.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and yes, any real weapon master would support what I'm saying here. You need to drop your damn attitude or just keep your mouth shut.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 942970, member: 2358"] My statement was not made out of arrogance, it was made out of experience. You're the one being arrogant, assuming most likely that because I play D&D I must have no real knowledge of anything. You need to come to the real world, man. What YOU try to pass off as weapon speed is actually a strength issue, not a weapon speed issue. When a person trains in a weapon, he or she usually trains in a weapon that he or she will be able to handle properly. As such, you will not see some cheerleader trying to wield a greatsword, but rather a foil or sabre or the like. On the other end, a guy like Bill Goldberg could easily pick the greatsword and probably swing it around with one arm. But a longsword to the cheerleader probably feels like a kitchen knife to Bill Goldberg. See the point? That is how a weapon is chosen AND is also one of the reasons why the katana is the most popular melee weapon in the world. Versatility. Few people have the STRENGTH to wield the greatsword properly. Again, that is not a weapon speed issue. In D&D, this issue would be resolved with a condition that you need at least X Strength to wield the greatsword without penalty. Ya' know, much like the Exotic Weapon Proficiencies for bastard sword and dwarven waraxe. I would say 15 would be the target number for the greatsword, maybe 17. Weapon speed as a game mechanic, however, is something that happened REGARDLESS of weapon mastery, which is how it is so easily identifiable as an unrealistic and problematic mechanic. I guarantee a master greatsword wielder will be just as "fast" as a master dagger wielder. Then again, it's also not just about speed, but rather technique. The greatsword wielder can strike as fast as the dagger wielder, but he does it differently to compensate for weapon weight. Oh, and yes, any real weapon master would support what I'm saying here. You need to drop your damn attitude or just keep your mouth shut. [/QUOTE]
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