Broadsword

Woas

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What is a broadsword exactly?

Why does every other RPG in the world have them but DnD does not?

I want one.

Is it any different that a longsword or bastard sword really? Could it be a one handed, martial, 2d4 slashing weapon?

Anyone else wonder who stole all the broad swords?
 
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3.0 got rid of the broadsword. It was a staple through 1e and 2e.

In the grand scheme of things, why take a long sword at 1d8 if you can take a broad sword at 2d4 with a better average damage?
 

Darn...

Why take a longsword when I can take a halberd.. why take a halberd when I can take a spiked chain... why take anything because of anything. For flavor of course. ;)

I miss broadswords...
 
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Woas said:
Why take a longsword when I can take a halberd.. why take a halberd when I can take a spiked chain... why take anything because of anything. For flavor of course.
You take a halberd for more damage and to trip, but have to use two hands. You take a spiked chain to be uber. You can't compare them to a long sword. What you're asking is more akin to "Why take a longsword from Waterdeep when I can take a longsword from Cormyr?"

Want flavor? Buy a long sword, call it a broad sword. :)
 
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Woas said:
What is a broadsword exactly?

The term "broadsword" is a renaissance term used to describe swords of normal dimensions when comparing them to the skinny rapiers that were popular in that period. Broadswords tended to have parallel sides and basket hilts. The swords used by Rob Roy (in the movie of the same name) are typical.


Aaron
 

Woas said:
What is a broadsword exactly?

In game terms - a longsword by another name. Small differences in physical design do not lead to significant game-mechanical differences.
 

In most other rpg's I have noticed that a broadsword is typically shown in length as between a short sword and a longsword and as a bit wider than a longsword. If you wanted to make your own (which, of course, you are free to if your DM lets you) I would say make it do 2d4, but maybe give it something detrimental to balance it out. My suggestion would be to make the crit. range just 20 x2, instead of 19-20 x2.
 

Aaron2 said:
The term "broadsword" is a renaissance term used to describe swords of normal dimensions when comparing them to the skinny rapiers that were popular in that period. Broadswords tended to have parallel sides and basket hilts. The swords used by Rob Roy (in the movie of the same name) are typical.

Oh, dear. Where does one start in the face of this? My. But it's quite a set of statements there. First, dear fellow, I'll say that you certainly have had a, "creative" (to not lie but still somehow maintain a semblance of politesse) historical "education"--if "education" is the appropriate word in this case.

"Broadsword" was not in common use until the late 18th century, long after the Renaissance had ended. It was coined to refer to swords similar to the "Scottish" model, which were considered "broad" not only in comparison to gentlemen's smallsword (weapons we would recognize as a "rapier" having been out of fashion for at least a century) but also were fairly "broad" of blade in comparison to the newer fashion of cavalry sabre favored by the English military (although the old Dragoon swords were every bit as stout as the Scottish, making them also "broadswords").

Now, the broadswords (or claymores, take your pick, either term is correct in this case) of the movie Rob Roy are proper broadswords, but they are not, by any stretch of the imagination, to be considered typical of any sort of Renaissance nor medieval sword. This basket-hilted design was invented some time in the 16th century, long after the medieval era was over.

Finally, regarding the "skinny rapier" comment. That's just too daft for words.


To confuse the amateur and ill-educated further, the term "broad sword" has been used since roughtly AD1000. However, it was always in reference to single weapons and not considered a type of weapon. Thus, an individual sword could be "a broad sword" but it was not "a broadsword".

Now, to make matters worse, D&D TOTALLY AND UTTERLY got "longsword" and "shortsword" wrong. Historically, the "longsword" was a weapon that could be wielded in two hands but wasn't quite as long as the great honking German devices used along with pikemen. It also wasn't quite a bastard sword, althoug in the D&D level of detail, they could be considered just about equivalent. A "shortsword" was synonymous with "sword"--that being any sword suitable for use with one hand only and more good for cutting than for thrusting. However, that was how the terms were used by real swordsmen instead of Victorian armchair antiquarian sword collectors.
 

Wippit Guud said:
In the grand scheme of things, why take a long sword at 1d8 if you can take a broad sword at 2d4 with a better average damage?

Would introducing a 2d4 (19-20/x2) weapon be an absolute disaster? It'd be a bit like the current Greatsword vs. Greataxe situation with two-handers. Do people out there see themselves taking the 1d8 alternative. Average damage isn't everything; killing in one wack is sometimes important too.

I'd be tempted to call the 2d4 a longsword and the 1d8 a broadsword though. Could people see this working, or would one weapon monopolise the one-handed slashing niche?
 

the longsword subsumes the broadsword. Trying to diferentiate them mechanically in 3E terms can cause headaches. I know, I've tried. And I've come to the conclusion that there is no point. Making it 2d4 20/x3 crit makes it into an axe, robbing it of the 19-20/x2 crit range of a straight sword. Making it 2d4 19-20/x2 makes it better then the longsword, and it shouldn't be better than the longsword. A broadsword is a longsword just as a katana is a masterwork bastard sword.
 

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