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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 5728421" data-attributes="member: 2205">Do you have some more recent numbers, other than highly questionable and dubiously applicable Amazon rankings to suggest that things are significantly different now?  I haven't seen any.  As far as I'm concerned, the most likely scenario is that WotC is still the 800 lbs gorilla of the RPG world, no matter how much you may or may not like 4e.In my experience, and based on lots of claims here and elsewhere, a lot of gamers had already drifted away from D&D before 4e was announced; and many of them were in fact drawn back into the fold with 4e.  Unless you've got access to confidential sales data that WotC has not shared with the public, I'm not sure you can make the claim that 4e "broke the base"--it could be just as likely that it shored up an already broken base.Yes, but YMMV.  Even in the earlier days of D&D lots of people went off in different directions, homebrewing, looking for alternatives, or wandering away early because D&D didn't give them what they wanted (myself included.)  As 3e started getting a bit long in the tooth, it cracked an awful of fault lines and sent people scurrying for other games.Also, the presence of the OGL substantially weakened those fault lines, in my opinion.  It's just so freakin' easy to wander off and do something else these days by building off the SRD.  Add to that the completely unrelated (though coincidentally timed) OSRIC "challenge" to what the SRD can be used for, i.e. using it to "back-engineer" 1e and make it an open game again, and the whole OSR movement became a possibility.  That portion of the broken base largely has nothing whatsoever to do with the release of 4e.</blockquote>

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