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<blockquote data-quote="entr0py" data-source="post: 1931098" data-attributes="member: 27244"><p>Quite alot of discussion and discontent on other boards regarding this feat. I thought I'd bring it here for discussion. </p><p></p><p>ALLIED DEFENSE</p><p>Prerequisite: Combat Expertise</p><p>Benefit: Whenever you use Combat Expertise to gain a bonus to Armor Class, any adjacent ally gains the same bonus.</p><p></p><p>EPIC COMBAT EXPERTISE <em>CW p.151</em> </p><p>Prerequisite: Int 19, Combat Expertise, base attack bonus +21</p><p>Benefit: When making an attack or full attack action in melee, you can take a penalty of as much as -5 on your attack roll and add the same number (+5 or less) as a dodge bonus to your Armor Class and to the Armor Class of an adjacent friendly creature. This number may not exceed your base attack bonus. The changes to attack rolls and Armor Class last until your next action. The effect of this feat supercedes the effect of Combat Expertise feat; you can't use both feats simulataneously to gain two dodge bonuses.</p><p></p><p>The first question, Is it broke? I think the answer is yes. AD is better (as written) than the epic CE feat -- and i'm not even sure i like the way the epic feat is written.</p><p></p><p>The next question is how to fix it -- or rather how to interpret it properly so its not an overpowering feat? </p><p></p><p>One discussion is whether multiple adjacent creatures can benefit from being next to one character using this feat? I think it could be interpreted as such, tho that would be outragously powerful.</p><p></p><p>Another discussion is whether multiple ppl with this feat could grant stacking Dodge bonuses to a single adjacent character -- after all "Dodge bonuses stack."</p><p></p><p>And the more intuitive question, How can I possibly grant a <em>Dodge</em> bonus to another? Am i kicking them out of the way of an oncoming blow? Is my fancy footwork <em>** picture Lord of the River Dance here **</em> so enthralling that the enemy is payin more attention to me than his attack on my comrade? </p><p>My point is this: if the idea is that i am somehow interposing myself or parrying blows headed for my adjacent friend, the AC bonus should be a <em>Shield</em> bonus. That would cetainly end all the bonus stacking discussion/debate.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps any real resolution can only come from the "House Rules" discussion board unless Wizards decides to release an errata.</p><p></p><p>I now turn it over to my learned fellows in the community. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="entr0py, post: 1931098, member: 27244"] Quite alot of discussion and discontent on other boards regarding this feat. I thought I'd bring it here for discussion. ALLIED DEFENSE Prerequisite: Combat Expertise Benefit: Whenever you use Combat Expertise to gain a bonus to Armor Class, any adjacent ally gains the same bonus. EPIC COMBAT EXPERTISE [I]CW p.151[/I] Prerequisite: Int 19, Combat Expertise, base attack bonus +21 Benefit: When making an attack or full attack action in melee, you can take a penalty of as much as -5 on your attack roll and add the same number (+5 or less) as a dodge bonus to your Armor Class and to the Armor Class of an adjacent friendly creature. This number may not exceed your base attack bonus. The changes to attack rolls and Armor Class last until your next action. The effect of this feat supercedes the effect of Combat Expertise feat; you can't use both feats simulataneously to gain two dodge bonuses. The first question, Is it broke? I think the answer is yes. AD is better (as written) than the epic CE feat -- and i'm not even sure i like the way the epic feat is written. The next question is how to fix it -- or rather how to interpret it properly so its not an overpowering feat? One discussion is whether multiple adjacent creatures can benefit from being next to one character using this feat? I think it could be interpreted as such, tho that would be outragously powerful. Another discussion is whether multiple ppl with this feat could grant stacking Dodge bonuses to a single adjacent character -- after all "Dodge bonuses stack." And the more intuitive question, How can I possibly grant a [I]Dodge[/I] bonus to another? Am i kicking them out of the way of an oncoming blow? Is my fancy footwork [I]** picture Lord of the River Dance here **[/I] so enthralling that the enemy is payin more attention to me than his attack on my comrade? My point is this: if the idea is that i am somehow interposing myself or parrying blows headed for my adjacent friend, the AC bonus should be a [I]Shield[/I] bonus. That would cetainly end all the bonus stacking discussion/debate. Perhaps any real resolution can only come from the "House Rules" discussion board unless Wizards decides to release an errata. I now turn it over to my learned fellows in the community. :) [/QUOTE]
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