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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Endarire" data-source="post: 6742285" data-attributes="member: 11592">Originally posted by Tempest_Stormwind:We've put together a lot of builds now, but rather than having them all just indexed in my sig, I'll put them here. (For one thing, signatures don't display on the mobile site.)As always, these are not all my builds, but they come from my group: Tempest Stormwind [TS], Radical Taoist [RT], Andarious [AR], DisposableHero_ [DH], Sionnis [SN], and Seishi [SH]. Authorship is identified in the table. The table also includes the build taglines (setting the mood) and descriptors (basically what the build does), along with a bit of extra metadata: maturation level, i.e. at which point the build's tricks are solid, and before which there might be some problems. If multiple levels are listed, it means the trick evolves. For example, the Pinball Brothers start off as a bullrush build (which is completely online by 3, though it improves over time), transition to an ubercharger (around level 8 is when this is fully online), and finally into a massive area control machine (by level 14). The second post in this thread includes all the showcases we have in progress but haven't finished. If any of them look interesting, announce it here.(EDIT: ...Damn, I can't get the table to display width properly on Firefox (Chrome handles the scaling), and the HTML is giving me headaches. Tucked away in a spoiler block until I fix it.)Showcased builds[sblock] <table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>Build</td><td>[ATT align]Author[//ATT]</td><td>Tagline</td><td>Descriptors</td><td>[ATT align]Maturation[//ATT]</td><td>Uses UA?</td></tr><tr><td>The Pinball Brothers(x)</td><td>[ATT align]TS[//ATT]</td><td>Large And In Charge</td><td>Melee, Lockdown, Charge, Juggling)</td><td>[ATT align]3, 8, 14[//ATT]</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Ashardalon Reborn(x)</td><td>[ATT align]TS[//ATT]</td><td>I will swallow your soul</td><td>Melee, Fear, Negative Levels, AoE, Theme (Ashardalon))</td><td>[ATT align]Any[//ATT]</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>A-Game Paladin(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>Play that funky music, knight boy!</td><td>Team support, melee, theme (leader), single-class</td><td>[ATT align]3 to 6[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Uncanny Trapsmith(x)</td><td>[ATT align]RT[//ATT]</td><td>Get in, make it look like an accident, get out.</td><td>Skillmonkey, stealth/scout/infiltration, unorthodox methods (traps), theme (spy)</td><td>[ATT align]6 to 9[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Wizsassin(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>Everything is permitted.</td><td>Spellcaster, support, sneak attack, utility</td><td>[ATT align]9[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Phantom Rush(x)</td><td>[ATT align]TS[//ATT]</td><td>General Gish Gouda.</td><td>Gish, Theme (Knight Arcane), Setting-specific (Eberron), Early-Entry PrC)</td><td>[ATT align]5[//ATT]</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Storm Knight(x)</td><td>[ATT align]TS[//ATT]</td><td>Another kind of gish.</td><td>Melee/"Gish", Theme (Wind), Setting-Specific (Eberron), Unorthodox Methods (Dragonmark)</td><td>[ATT align]5 to 6[//ATT]</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Inevitable Nightmare(x)</td><td>[ATT align]TS[//ATT]</td><td>The weapon you only have to fire *once*</td><td>Melee, Unorthodox Methods (no charging), Reliability)</td><td>[ATT align]6 to 8[//ATT]</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Captain Constitution(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>The number one threat to America</td><td>Melee, TOUGHTOUGHTOUGH, Defense, Theme (Constitution)</td><td>[ATT align]Any[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Nuker(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down!</td><td>Spellcaster, damage, blasting, damage</td><td>[ATT align]8[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Dread Lord of the Dead(x)</td><td>[ATT align]TS[//ATT]</td><td>Let the reaping begin!</td><td>NPC-only, Variable (combat, casting, leadership), Iconic Villain, Theme (BBEG necromancer)</td><td>[ATT align]1, 4, 9, 15[//ATT]</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Heavy Crusader(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>No rest. No mercy. No matter what.</td><td>Melee, Damage (no charging), variable, theme (smiter)</td><td>[ATT align]Any[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Gun Fu(x)</td><td>[ATT align]TS[//ATT]</td><td>It's bullet time</td><td>Ranged, Theoretical, Twin weapons, theme (guns akimbo)</td><td>[ATT align]9[//ATT]</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Face First(x)</td><td>[ATT align]RT[//ATT]</td><td>We should talk.</td><td>Psionic, social, mind-control, info-management</td><td>[ATT align]Any[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Chaingun Porcupine(x)</td><td>[ATT align]SN[//ATT]</td><td>Never enuff dakka.</td><td>Ranged, Skirmishing, Spike Damage, Incarnum</td><td>[ATT align]2, 12[//ATT]</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Always On Edge(x)</td><td>[ATT align]RT[//ATT]</td><td>The Mortal Draw deals death.</td><td>Melee, Generalist, Dungeoneering, Stunt (iaijutsu)</td><td>[ATT align]2-3, 15[//ATT]</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Feral Druid(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>Real feral taste, zero druid calories.</td><td>Melee, offense, damage, murder</td><td>[ATT align]6[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Rusty!(x)</td><td>[ATT align]RT[//ATT]</td><td>Man's best friend</td><td>Sentry, Support, Backup, Rearguard</td><td>[ATT align]Any[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>The T3(x)</td><td>[ATT align]RT[//ATT]</td><td>My Kung Fu is more Powerful</td><td>Hybrid, Flex-Function, Melee, Caster</td><td>[ATT align]3[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>The #1 Snoipah(x)</td><td>[ATT align]RT[//ATT]</td><td>Boom. 'Eadshot.</td><td>Caster, Theme (TF2), Spike, Trapscout</td><td>[ATT align]Any[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Dreamblade(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>Rest in pieces.</td><td>Melee, Damage, Single-Class, Combo/Momentum</td><td>[ATT align]Any[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Evasion Tank(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>"When fighting angry blind men, is best to stay out of the way."</td><td>Melee, Tank, Unorthodox Methods (attack negation), theme (martial arts)</td><td>[ATT align]2, 5, 9[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Psycarnum Warrior(x)</td><td>[ATT align]DH[//ATT]</td><td>↑↑↓↓←→←→BA Start</td><td>Melee, Tank, Psionics, Incarnum, 1337 h4x</td><td>[ATT align]1, 8[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Heavy Weapons Elf(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>WHO TOUCHED MY BOW?</td><td>Ranged, Cohort, Damage, Unorthodox Methods (ranged ToB)</td><td>[ATT align]5 to 7[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Gnowhere Gnome(x)</td><td>[ATT align]RT[//ATT]</td><td>A little man who wasn't there</td><td>Caster, Stealth, Single-Class, Elusive</td><td>[ATT align]Any[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Uberflank(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>I got your back.</td><td>Melee, Support, stunt (flank maxing), teamwork</td><td>[ATT align]Any[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Flip the Bird(x)</td><td>[ATT align]TS[//ATT]</td><td>Everyday I'm shuffling</td><td>Ranged, harrier, unorthodox methods (ranged ToB / off-turn movement), support</td><td>[ATT align]9[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Eat Sleep Gank(x)</td><td>[ATT align]DH[//ATT]</td><td>Real Ultimate Power</td><td>Stealth, Assassination, Spike, Magic Versatility</td><td>[ATT align]6 to 9[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Slash and Burn(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>Mind, Body, Flame / Aspects of a greater whole / which delivers death.</td><td>Melee, Theme (flex-style), Damage, Stunt (crits/whirlwind/fire)</td><td>[ATT align]9+[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Edge of the Light(x)</td><td>[ATT align]RT[//ATT]</td><td>Cut, Fade to Black</td><td>Melee, Defense/Offense, Momentum, Tactical</td><td>[ATT align]6 to 9[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Quiet Murder(x)</td><td>[ATT align]RT[//ATT]</td><td>Cut throats, not corners.</td><td>Melee, Stealth, Harrier, Tactical</td><td>[ATT align]9[//ATT]</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Wand Overdrive(x)</td><td>[ATT align]TS[//ATT]</td><td>Say Hello to my little friends.</td><td>Caster, support/artillery/variable, wand specialist</td><td>[ATT align]9 to 12[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>God Hand(x)</td><td>[ATT align]RT[//ATT]</td><td>What did the five fingers say to the face?</td><td>Melee/Gish, Unarmed, SAD, Theme (cheesy martial arts)</td><td>[ATT align]7[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Zero Buff Time Gish(x)</td><td>[ATT align]AR[//ATT]</td><td>Try to keep up!</td><td>Gish, Speed, Movement, Opportunity)</td><td>[ATT align]7+[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Robo Tackle(x)</td><td>[ATT align]TS[//ATT]</td><td>I Am Iron Man.</td><td>Melee, Setting-Specific (Eberron), Positioning, Theme (Chrono Trigger), Stunt (pushing)</td><td>[ATT align]9[//ATT]</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Holy Fire(x)</td><td>TS</td><td>Just getting warmed up!</td><td>Spellcaster, setting-specific (Eberron), damage, theme (fire), theme (sacred), blasting</td><td>6-7 and 11-14</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Groundhog Mage(x)</td><td>TS</td><td>♪Let’s do the time warp again♪</td><td>Casting, stunt, setting-specific (Faerun), spell stamina / versatility, spontaneous wizard</td><td>6, 9, 12, 15, 18</td><td>Yes</td></tr><tr><td>Captain Charisma(x)</td><td>RT</td><td>All she wants to do is dance</td><td>Hybrid (melee/support), SAD, Theme (criticals), Theme (flex-style)</td><td>5, 9, 12</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Assassin's Speed(x)</td><td>TS</td><td>A blade in the crowd</td><td>Melee (technical), iaijutsu, SAD, theme (Assassin's Creed), tutorial</td><td>2-4, 9, 12</td><td>No</td></tr><tr><td>Something for Everyone</td><td>RT</td><td>A.K.A. The Last Sorcerer RT Will Ever Build</td><td>Caster, Damage, Trapscout, Takedowns</td><td> </td><td>No</td></tr></table>[/sblock]  In addition to the builds, we've also put together a few specific articles:  Party Optimization Showcase: Dead for Nothing(x): A short CO diary of one of our games at level 8, designed to illustrate how a team can benefit from specifically-designed party interaction, understanding the action economy (but without resorting to Celerity-style effects), and specific attention to the numbers. The Flash Step:(x)Illustrating the tactical use of the Evasive Reflexes feat to add another dimension to the AoO metagame (which, to the best of my knowledge, wasn't really explored before this article). Includes three example builds: the Rook Knight, Outmaneuver, and the Flashmaster. Kung-Fu Witchcraft:(x) Extending the Tome of Battle to the realm of CR tomfoolery. DMs, take note. Players, you can skip this one (not because it's uninteresting, but because it won't work unless you're choosing monsters based on CR instead of ECL). Originally posted by Tempest_Stormwind:All right, so we've got a number of builds put together for showcasing, and several others in progress. Up until now, we've been doing them haphazardly from a larger list of potential candidates, and then rushing last-minute to finish up the one that wins weekly voting. Now, I'm changing it up a bit - all of our in-progress builds are going to be listed here, and if you want a specific one, say so in this thread or in the most recent one.Of course, I'm not a fan of giving away too much information, and a few of these are still being refined, so I'll just stick to the names for now.-The Wolf Pack-Jack B. Quicker-Maybe Later-Mook Mulcher-Abominable Throwman-Overpowered Wizards pt.1: The Guild Mages-Overpowered Wizards pt.2: The Circle Mages (EDIT: The Groundhog Mage blends aspects of both the "Guild" and "Circle" mages, and has been showcased.)-SingularityThere are also plenty of others still under development, and a few refinements to existing builds.Thanks for reading - and as always, we value your input.Originally posted by EruditeApe:Nice to see this up. I'm voting for this Guild Mages one, since your casters rarely disappoint and Circle Magic has been done to death. I'm hoping, however, that it isn't just vanilla MotAO shennanigans.Out of idle curiousity, is Singularity nanobots abuse? Did you mean for [TS] to come before your name, as opposed to after like everyone else's?Originally posted by Tempest_Stormwind:Thanks.The circle mages are related to the guild mages (and won't be shown until after the guild mages go up), but with more of the stops pulled out. The guild mages make use of MotAO, but that's not the central point of their trick (though it's certainly a nice one).No. (Generally speaking I don't design with nanobots in mind.) The name comes from a different aspect of the build.(EDIT: I will share that it makes use of Leadership, but the followers aren't part of the equation. Using them as fodder for something - even primitive Aid Anothers - is something I haven't considered.)Typo. I had a lot to keep track of translating this from raw HTML to board code. Fixed.Originally posted by Vincent_Dranoch:I vote for Overpowered Mages or Singularity.And i wanna know if is possible to merge T3, Psycarnum Warrior and God Hand, since they are very class similar, something like an Azurin Ardent or Psychic Warrior 18/Monk 2 + Tashalatora and Psycarnum Infusion, or wouldn't it be possible because of the feats you need to keep those different builds working?And i loved all these builds, especially the ones with casting or manifesting abilities, or the gish ones, and my 3 favorites are Ashardalon Reborn, Dread Lord of the Dead, and Wizsassin.Originally posted by draco1119:How can a Hangover fan not vote for Wolf Pack?Originally posted by KrootRebellion:As a science nerd, I will vote for Singularity ! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> Originally posted by Seeron:Is it possible, that you also include a column with the Tier, you would rate the build in? Cause i love using your builds as a basic idea for BBEGs.Originally posted by Tempest_Stormwind:I can try, but they're a bit variable (particularly the wizard-based ones). Our group pretty consistently tries to keep "tier three" philosophy in mind (i.e. except in special circumstances, no single character can single-handedly end an encounter or provide answers to everything, but they can perform well in their niche and have enough options to provide something useful when outside of their niche) when we build, and I would say most of them come out with that in mind. A few, like the psycarnum warrior, probably bump higher than that, and a few (I think Always on Edge or the Phantom Rush fit here, although Always on Edge is the better of the two) are lower than that, but I really don't think there's that much variance.Of course, the "Overpowered Wizards" builds look like they're in T1, but just about anything with a wizard base and making use of wizard-exclusive options will fall somewhere in there simply by virtue of their components, even before you look at the gameplay, so...Originally posted by SwordDisciple:So when is the next one?Originally posted by Tempest_Stormwind:Besides my usual insane workload (two papers accepted, one more almost ready to submit, half my PhD candidacy exam reading list done, talk rehersals for this summer's conference season, and so on), I've been in and out of the hospital for the past few weeks (not related to the cancer I mentioned in my sig - there's other health concerns I'd rather not get into, which normally aren't life-threatening, but sometimes in tandem they aren't very hot). I think you'll forgive the delays on my part.RT's gotten busier as well, but still managed to find the time to get cracking on one or two of the above entries (the most popular so far, and also the biggest). Since they're related I might post them sequentially, without the huge break in between them. I might start a writeup for Singularity if I find time to procrastinate (which is honestly how this writeup series started in the first place). Originally posted by RogerWilco:I hope you get well. I see the Cancer prognosis has updated in a positive way, which I am happy to see.Thanks for the update, but this is just an internet forum, I think we'll be fine if there are no updates for a while.Originally posted by awaken_D_M_golem:Hey yeah, congrats on the Cancer-Free.Originally posted by KeeperofManyNames:Hey, sorry to hijack this, but I have a message for you, Tempest, and I'm not sure whether or not you're getting PMs or whether PMs are working at all.I'm acting as courier for Draco, who's apparently been permabanned along with a whole bunch of other people. He wanted me to let you know that he's moved to nogoblinsallowed.com, which is being run by miss bun and is sort of turning into a forum for everyone who's either been driven away by the forum update or, in his case, kicked off.I don't think there was anything else major he wanted passed along, just that that's where he'd be now that he can't be here. Sorry again to hijack this, but I wanted to make sure you saw it, since Draco really wanted to get a message to you.Originally posted by Contronym:Tempest, did you guys give up on doing any more of these? I find them rather thought provoking. Or have you moved them off to another website?Originally posted by Tempest_Stormwind:I haven't had time, simply put. I'm preparing for my PhD candidacy exam and while we've put forward several builds in the group (including some half-finished writeups - those mentioned above are all in various stages of completion) I haven't had time to write a full discussion on any of them.Originally posted by 123456789blaaa:I'm just glad you haven't died <img src="http://community.wizards.com/sites/all/modules/custom/forest_site/smileys/wizards/razz.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />.    Off topic: What's your area of specialization for your PhD? I'm kinda curious...Originally posted by Tempest_Stormwind:....well, not yet at least. I lucked out on the cancer front (I got <a href="http://www.cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/cancer-type/thyroid/treatment/papillary-carcinoma/?region=on" target="_blank">a type that did not involve chemo</a>), but it's also only <a href="http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/124398-overview" target="_blank">part of </a>my problems (all of which manifested at about the same time, during my masters' studies). Some of those really could kill me. Cognitive science, with a specific emphasis on mathematical modelling, behaviour based robotics, and probability reasoning / judgement under uncertainty (and specific long-term interest in how these theories evolve to include ideologies). I also hold a physics degree (functionally, but not officially, an astrophysics specialty), which puts me in a very different headspace from most of my colleagues (particularly with formal analyses of mathematical theories, statistical practices, and numerical methods) - although I switched fields because I was a pretty lousy physicist.Originally posted by 123456789blaaa: And I thought I was joking <img src="http://community.wizards.com/sites/all/modules/custom/forest_site/smileys/wizards/sad.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />. I don't suppose there's anything I could do to help?   So basically a PhD in <a href="http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/index.php/Headology" target="_blank">headology</a><img src="http://community.wizards.com/sites/all/modules/custom/forest_site/smileys/wizards/tongue.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />Originally posted by Andarious-Rosethorn:Points for the Pratchett refernece <3 Also, Tempest, when making a robot remember the important thing is that they have just enough intellegance to finish the task they're made for, and that they have an extreme sense of satisfaction from doing it.Originally posted by Tempest_Stormwind: I get that a lot, but no, not really. Don't worry about it too much for now; a few more specific treatments and a minor endoscopic surgery and I'll have almost everything worth worrying about under total control. There'll be a few lifelong changes, but nothing I can't handle (inexpensive medicine and no chance of ever having hair again, for instance). Props for the Pratchett (and if I may throw one back apropos of the other discussion, check out <a href="http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/news-grants/newsletter/item/27-september-2010" target="_blank">the motto on his official coat of arms</a>. It is as pun-ridden and yet appropriate as Pratchett's own fictional heraldry, but the sentiment is one I share. (...Of course, to keep the meaning rather than the words, it really should have said "noli timere mortem," but that would be slightly less Pratchettian) ), but no, that's exactly the wrong kind of psychology (though it's certainly interesting for other reasons!).  My work is really more of a branch of <a href="http://www.aupress.ca/index.php/books/120227" target="_blank">this</a>; that's easily the best intro text to the field I've ever seen, and it's available free under Creative Commons. (Full disclosure: Author is my PhD supervisor.) Andarious: I don't think I mentioned this, but the robots I use are much simpler than that. I don't build robots to do a task; I build robots, and then watch them do what's in their nature. I teach students about that aspect of cognitive science using LEGO. The <a href="http://www.aupress.ca/index.php/books/120175" target="_blank">textbook is also online</a> if you're interested (I did co-author that one; all the other embodied cog-sci books we could find were pure philosophy or case studies, so we wrote one that also had robotics exercises.). There's also promo videos which include me back when I had hair, although said hair was in transition at the time and looked kind of ridiculous.   Back on topic, I DO happen to have a writeup ready for a build not mentioned there (Holy Fire - it's a fire-based sorcerer variation of the Mailman, designed to make "fire sorcerer" not suck as much, to showcase what you can do with energy damage if you're trying, and try to show alternatives to Incantrix when building Mailmen. This is clearly intended as a tutorial rather than as a gamebreaking new build though), and I'll try to post it up later today. Maybe that'll get me motivated to distill the good stuff out of the queue.  That said, a few of the builds could probably be pruned down to just their core tricks - the Groundhog Mage and some of the Wolf Pack builds are probably best suited with a smaller article on lesser-known or unknown synergies rather than a definitive "THIS IS THINE BUILD" style article. I might try a new format and see if I can't clear out the queue.Originally posted by aelryinth:University of Alberta? You're a bloody Canadian? No wonder you're so mild-mannered. Dealing with us Americans must be amusing as all heck. I'm not sure that link to the heraldry was accurate...was that Prachett's real name on the death announcement? And you'll have to explain the puns and stuff, I don't know Latin. ==AelryinthOriginally posted by 123456789blaaa: So in a choice between being completely wrong and not making a Pratchett reference, you expect me to to choose the former? I think we have very different priorities <img src="http://community.wizards.com/sites/all/modules/custom/forest_site/smileys/wizards/tongue.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />.   Coool <img src="http://community.wizards.com/sites/all/modules/custom/forest_site/smileys/wizards/woot.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />. I'l have to check some of that out. Sounds interesting.   Like the Flash-Stepper showcase?Originally posted by Tempest_Stormwind:Ael: Further down the page. The black and white shield with the ankh on it, to Sir Terrence David John Pratchett. (He doesn't use a pseudonym.) The motto is "noli timere messorem", which literally means "Don't fear the reaper". Not only is it a reference to Death in his stories (observe that the Sto Helit family descended from Mort has the exact same motto), but it's also apropos given how Pratchett's become a vocal supporter of voluntary euthanasia following his Alzheimer's diagnosis (something to the effect of "I will not die of Alzheimers. I'm taking the disease with me."). (My minor quibble was that, since the phrase is idiomatic in English, it loses meaning in Latin, and the loose equivalent should be "noli timere mortem", or "do not fear death" - but since a disgustingly large amount of heraldry in general is based on puns and wordplay (something that Pratchett himself lampooned in Feet of Clay) I think that wouldn't be as appropriate a motto.) Count: A bit less diversified, with fewer builds and less discussion, but that's the right idea. More like Kung Fu Witchcraft in that regards.Originally posted by Kingofswing:Nice stuff temp it looks good and I can finally see it on this stupid iPad. Originally posted by Kingofswing:Nice stuff temp it looks good and I can finally see it on this stupid iPad. Originally posted by Contronym:+1 you poor bugger Imagine what it is like for me as a Kiwi <img src="http://community.wizards.com/sites/all/modules/custom/forest_site/smileys/wizards/tongue.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> Tempest, if there's anything I can help with let me know. Originally posted by aelryinth:Ah, kiwis! Loved and lampooned the world over. American's are the world's tourists, Canadians are the world's guests, Austrailians are the world's neighbors, and New Zealanders are the world's mascots. <img src="http://community.wizards.com/sites/all/modules/custom/forest_site/smileys/wizards/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> Thanks for the explanation, Tempest, I wouldn't ever have noticed it otherwise. ==Aelryinth</blockquote>

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