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<blockquote data-quote="Thornhammer" data-source="post: 43019" data-attributes="member: 2716">The duration is my primary gripe.&nbsp; It lasts way too long for a 1st level spell.&nbsp; If the duration is shortened (to maybe say 1 round per level) then the save DC is just fine.&nbsp; 10 rounds is longer than many of my combats anyway.Another way to take the fire out of Entangle is to enforce Precision Spellcasting rules!&nbsp; DMs, how many times have you heard this: (Situation:&nbsp; PCs are ready to fight a bunch of orcs that will be one square away in very short order.)&nbsp; &quot;Well, if I cast Entangle on this square, we'll be just outside the radius.&nbsp; All the bad guys will be caught.&nbsp; We'll back off and pepper 'em with arrows or something.&quot;&nbsp; Replace Entangle with Fireball or any other area effect spell of your choice.&nbsp; So...in six seconds, in the middle of combat, you're going to be able to pick out that exact spot and cast the spell.&nbsp; Riiiight.&nbsp; Solution:&nbsp; Spellcraft check.&nbsp; And deviation (within limits!) if the check fails. -Thornhammer</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thornhammer, post: 43019, member: 2716"] The duration is my primary gripe. It lasts way too long for a 1st level spell. If the duration is shortened (to maybe say 1 round per level) then the save DC is just fine. 10 rounds is longer than many of my combats anyway. Another way to take the fire out of Entangle is to enforce Precision Spellcasting rules! DMs, how many times have you heard this: (Situation: PCs are ready to fight a bunch of orcs that will be one square away in very short order.) "Well, if I cast Entangle on this square, we'll be just outside the radius. All the bad guys will be caught. We'll back off and pepper 'em with arrows or something." Replace Entangle with Fireball or any other area effect spell of your choice. So...in six seconds, in the middle of combat, you're going to be able to pick out that exact spot and cast the spell. Riiiight. Solution: Spellcraft check. And deviation (within limits!) if the check fails. -Thornhammer [/QUOTE]

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