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<blockquote data-quote="hyphz" data-source="post: 4403826" data-attributes="member: 20418"><p>The Bronze Warder is a new monster in Thunderspire Labyrinth. It has quite a few abilities, but only two relevant to this question:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>During the adventure, the players have the opportunity to pick up a pair of Dwarven Grieves, which negate forced movement. </p><p></p><p>So, here's the situation:</p><p></p><p>[php]</p><p>BB 3#</p><p>BB 12 #</p><p>###########</p><p>[/php]</p><p></p><p>B is our Bronze Warder, 1-2-3 are PCs, #'s are a wall. So..</p><p></p><p>BRONZE WARDER: Hey, fun time! For my Move action I shall Move 5 squares to the east. Then, I shall Rampage 3 squares to the east. On my first square I shall first move PC 1 to the west..</p><p></p><p>PC 1: But I'm still under its template!</p><p></p><p>BRONZE WARDER: Doesn't matter, Inexorable Movement! Then on my second square I shall move PC 2 to the west..</p><p></p><p>PC 2: Ouch.</p><p></p><p>BRONZE WARDER: And then on my final rampage square I shall move PC 3 to the north and end my movemen...</p><p></p><p>PC 3: Dwarven Greaves.</p><p></p><p>BRONZE WARDER: What?</p><p></p><p>PC 3: I activate Dwarven Greaves. You don't push me anywhere.</p><p></p><p>BRONZE WARDER: Um.. but I need you to be out of the way, to end my movement.</p><p></p><p>PC 3: Tough. Go back.</p><p></p><p>BRONZE WARDER: I.. can't go back.. I've used my Move action and my Rampage.</p><p></p><p>PC 3: Then the Rampage is an illegal move. Take it back.</p><p></p><p>BRONZE WARDER: Uh. Ok. But you've used up your Dwarven Greaves, right?</p><p></p><p>PC 3: What?</p><p></p><p>BRONZE WARDER: The Rampage is only illegal if you use your Dwarven Greaves. That's a Daily power. So you'd have to spend it to make the move illegal for me. Otherwise you'd be saying Dwarven Grieves, as long as they're unexpended, grant immunity to any and all situations where you'd have to be moved to create a legal end point for movement.</p><p></p><p>PC 3: So you're saying I have to spend my Dwarven Grieves in response to a move that you never make because it's illegal, because if I don't spend them, it's not illegal?</p><p></p><p>BRONZE WARDER AND PC 3: Um, help, DM!</p><p></p><p>DM: Um, help, WotC customer service!</p><p></p><p>WOTC-CS: "There is no official answer to this, we have contacted the developers."</p><p></p><p>So.. does anyone here have any idea on this?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hyphz, post: 4403826, member: 20418"] The Bronze Warder is a new monster in Thunderspire Labyrinth. It has quite a few abilities, but only two relevant to this question: During the adventure, the players have the opportunity to pick up a pair of Dwarven Grieves, which negate forced movement. So, here's the situation: [php] BB 3# BB 12 # ########### [/php] B is our Bronze Warder, 1-2-3 are PCs, #'s are a wall. So.. BRONZE WARDER: Hey, fun time! For my Move action I shall Move 5 squares to the east. Then, I shall Rampage 3 squares to the east. On my first square I shall first move PC 1 to the west.. PC 1: But I'm still under its template! BRONZE WARDER: Doesn't matter, Inexorable Movement! Then on my second square I shall move PC 2 to the west.. PC 2: Ouch. BRONZE WARDER: And then on my final rampage square I shall move PC 3 to the north and end my movemen... PC 3: Dwarven Greaves. BRONZE WARDER: What? PC 3: I activate Dwarven Greaves. You don't push me anywhere. BRONZE WARDER: Um.. but I need you to be out of the way, to end my movement. PC 3: Tough. Go back. BRONZE WARDER: I.. can't go back.. I've used my Move action and my Rampage. PC 3: Then the Rampage is an illegal move. Take it back. BRONZE WARDER: Uh. Ok. But you've used up your Dwarven Greaves, right? PC 3: What? BRONZE WARDER: The Rampage is only illegal if you use your Dwarven Greaves. That's a Daily power. So you'd have to spend it to make the move illegal for me. Otherwise you'd be saying Dwarven Grieves, as long as they're unexpended, grant immunity to any and all situations where you'd have to be moved to create a legal end point for movement. PC 3: So you're saying I have to spend my Dwarven Grieves in response to a move that you never make because it's illegal, because if I don't spend them, it's not illegal? BRONZE WARDER AND PC 3: Um, help, DM! DM: Um, help, WotC customer service! WOTC-CS: "There is no official answer to this, we have contacted the developers." So.. does anyone here have any idea on this? [/QUOTE]
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